Are you vegetarian?
What does that have to do with anything? And, no. I am not.

If you aren?t feeling too good, it might be because you aren?t eating right. Its got everything to do with you!

Boycotts are fantastically effective.
Prove it to me. And not just Apartheid.
I guess money talks.

Like I say before, you cant have a fire without oxygen, ergo a boycott MUST work.

Actually, it shouldn't take any work at all, rather like staying at home instead of going out and demonstrating.
Why not?

I mean work as in Watts.

actually, War takes the cooperation of a large number of people to work, and I am not talking in any way about soldiers.
Politicians and bureaucrats.

No. They are nothing, literally. The cooperation comes from the compliant public who keep funding war.

Money fuels the fire of war, therefore Stopping the money, will mean stopping the war. Cut off the oxygen of war and the fire goes out, untill you replace the oxygen.
But we're only cutting off one line of income here. What about private investments in war. Haiburton, et al. Maybe there will be less war. But there will still be war.

If I hear the word 'Haliburton' one more time....There is not a single company on earth that can finance war on the scale of the Iraq debacle. The only way war can be waged is with the money of the public. This is a fact.

And both will kill you!
Crossing the road can kill you. Changing a lightbulb can kill you. Going to a nightclub and getting blown up by terrorists can kill you.

That?s why, when you cross the road, you do it carefully. When you change a lightbulb, you don?t do it standing naked in a bath full of salt water. Getting blown up by ?terrorists? can be avoided by not blowing up where they live, so that they want to kill you. That is pure logic.

Economic warfare is what AC20 is all about.

"Will it permanently stop $problem".

If I stop buying records and seeing bands from the US will it stop war?

No.

OK, lets go through it again. America is so huge, and its population so insular and compliant that if they do not understand from some quarter that they have to get their government under control, they will never take action to do it. Their news is appalingly biased and censored. If everyone boycotts them their culture and their goods, they will inevitably ask ?why are you doing this? and then, they will get the reply, and make a choice to clean house. Or not. This worked with South Africa. They cleaned up house. By trading with them, playing with them and not saying ?you guys are bang out of orda? they have no reason to look at what they are doing in the context of the world, and nothing will change.

If your proposed action doesnt pass this test, then your plan MUST be abandoned.

Carry on buying records.

And no message is sent to them. Bad.

This may be true, but what is also true and more important on the local level, is the fact that an unlimited supply of cash is available to wage war anywhere, almost instantly (bar the complex planning) this is the local problem everywhere in the world; governments have access to unlimited stocks of contributed cash, with which they may wage war.

Contributed from taxes? The war chest right? Let's stop paying taxes and stop buying products with VAT -- um, everything bar some food and 'essentials'. Even tampons have VAT on them.

Stop paying taxes and I get arrested. Everyone else is too scared.

Once again, read this:

http://www.nwtrcc.org/

recently updated website.

As for being frightened, which are we more frightened of, an Orwell Britain where people are scared of ?dirty bombs? raining plutonium over our bollocks and ovaries, or are we more frightened of taking a stand on this matter of principle and putting a stop to war once and for all? The fear that everyone feels for what would happen if one became a war tax resistor is addressed in that website.

Stop paying VAT, I end up smelly.

We all saw you with that beard in time lapse?are you SURE you dont already stink?! :]

Just imagine the 2 million people who went on that march before the war, all withholding their tax until war is completely renounced. That A LOT of money, and for every one of those demonstrators, you can be sure there were three more who would have come but didn?t.

Whatever solution is finally used, one thing is now certain; demonstrations are useless.

you listening?
I am reading. I am trying to understand your point. I understand your point. I wish someone else did.

There is nothing wrong with American goods per se
Of course not. There's nothing wrong with America. It's the state that is wrong. The governing bodies.

Just "Think Locally" about what happens to your money.
I think people are more inclined to act if something is local and therefore directly affects them. I think this is an important aspect to AC20.

However, this is an abstract concept. Once money has left my pocket (me being Joe Bloggs) then it is no longer local. If I receive my goods/services I am happy. I forget about the money I just gave you (service provider).

When you pay your council tax, it remains local. When you shop locally your money remains local, especially if its part of the AC20 economy.

Precisely. Do you want war, or not. This is the root question.
Obviously not.

If you go into a supermarket, and you are forced to buy something that you dont want, every time you go there you would simply not go there correct?
Yes. But when has this ever happened? Sounds a bit like school or church though.

Astonishing isn't it? Real life is like school, or church? Sorry, I cant help but quote this:

"You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. The truth that you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch."

I can easliy imagine this, just as I can imagine a match-flame on a tea saucer being quenched by putting glass over it. Lack of imagination is the greatest, most crippling disease facing us today.
I can imagine that so strongly it is real in my head. Because I *know* what will happen already. The unknown is scary.

A world without war is an unknown that we should leap into, without looking.

You have absolute power over yourself, your life and what you do with it.
I will never wage a violent and bloody war.

You have helped wage it, albeit unwittingly.

You can choose to reject what is put in front of you, and the consequences of that choice will propagate outward from you. If many people do this, the waves mount up and wash away what is wrong.
People do this through parliament, but as we all know party politicians don't change what really happens on the grand scale.

Parliament is a means of control, not a tool to excersie the will of the people. It is a Punch and Judy show to make you think that you have influence; to make you think that there is a collective will. Its clear now, to everyone, that there is no collective will, only power (in actuality, the illusion of power). The only way to control our collective destiny is to withdraw our real power so that it doesnt feed the illusory power of democratically elected governments. That means abstaining from voting, and not paying. Period. Why do you think its illegal to not vote in Australia? Someone there has cottoned on to the idea that if people do not vote, the illusory power of the democratic government looses force. In Australia since EVERYONE votes, the government has absolute illusory power, since everyone has participated.

What happens on a grander scale, globally, between corporations and the people who control these changes is out of our spectrum of control, because they do direct influence us, and we do not directly influence them.

The same way we can move the clouds out the sky. But they still rain on us.

Corporations are nothing without the population. We are the ultimate control of everything, and that method of control comes right out of y(our) pocket(s).