Saturday, September 21, 2002

Ah. I believe you're talking about Arken (The Ark).

I love Louisiana, that building is amazing, like a labyrinth. I was there earlier this year to see the Warhol exhibit and went around to look at the permanent exhibits as well.

.. Good God, I'm hung over. I feel like my entire inside has gone through a blender.
posted by Mikkel , 2:24 PM Þ 
Friday, September 20, 2002

less error than 20th century builders along a 300ft length

all we've lost sight of is the ability to concentrate on the matter in hand .... there is always somewhere we think we would rather be, something we think we would rather be doing, forgetting that the moment is all, etc etc .......
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 7:11 PM Þ 

I was in Lund for 2 and a half years before moving back to London. Swedes are funny people. Hmm. Did enjoy the many delights of Copenhagen a good number of times, Christiania, Louisiana, and that modern art gallery on the beach south of Kopenhamn. Many late nights drinking beer and hopping from one jazz bar to another. Which just serves to remind me how prehistoric UK licensing laws are... sigh.
This is what is happening where I work. A new builing. In the middle of the old one. And ear ache, no air con and messed up heating for all that work there free of charge!
posted by Alun , 5:50 PM Þ 


b|~1+1zh pubz 0wn0z ur 4zz!
posted by Irdial , 4:20 PM Þ 


and again...
posted by Irdial , 4:07 PM Þ 



nuff said.
posted by Irdial , 4:04 PM Þ 

haha! det er ikke så skidt endda :D Bedre end mit svenske, i det mindste - det er usselt som bare fanden. Og jeg skal nok drikke mig stiv, bare rolig ;) hvor har du lært svensk?

Oh. Well, I have no idea about alignment, then. A bit outside my areas of expertise...
posted by Mikkel , 3:46 PM Þ 

Hej Mikkel! Går det bra? Har en jättebra helg, men sup inte dig dum, och sup inte tjererna fula! Det var länge sen jag har skrivit på svenska, förlåt om det här är skit. And I know you're Danish, but I can speak Swedish with a Skåne accent if you like!

On alignments, I don't mean the maths. Many civilizations could do the maths. Not many could have lined up a few million tons of stone with less error than 20th century builders along a 300ft length.

Anyway, Mikkel is right, its (almost) a weekend. Hurrah!
posted by Alun , 3:09 PM Þ 

the alignments are rather easy to get right, its very simple math (pythagoras, π, etc.).

also,
ITS FUCKING WEEKEND. ALCOHOL! ARYARH!YWOOOOAHAHAHAHHA
posted by Mikkel , 1:53 PM Þ 

Wow! What about the blocks that weigh up to 40 tons or more? And the lifting? And the incredibly precise alignments?

What about them? and lets not forget that it was the Arab man that gave us the "0" and algebra, and the names of all the stars. The Romans did all of their "mathematics" without the knowledge of 0 as a number.

Yet today, those same people are "not at the cutting edge" to be polite. The same thing probably happend to the Egyptians...fell by the wayside. It has happened to every civilization so far.

I could be being harsh.

Just too rigid :]

But I doubt it.

"...that is why you fail" Yoda.

I've been very interested in such stuff for many years and have yet to hear a plausible explanation that did not involve a non-Egyptian higher technology. And there were not any non-Egyptian higher technologies on Earth at that time.

"Plausable" is a death word. Personally, I dont have a problem with either scenario, though I prefer or am predisposed to the human solution, because if "our good friends" are responsible for these incredible things (they are even being given credit for modern man made sucesses) then our will to achieve will be damaged.

If its true, then "hey what can you do", but I will put nothing past the ability of man. He is a sneaky, naughty, dirtly little hairless monkey, who, when left to his own devices, can do ANYTHING that he wants to do.
posted by Irdial , 1:42 PM Þ 

From the Discovery Channels Education site...

3. How did the Egyptians build the pyramids without any modern tools? Egyptians used tools such as ramps, plus the sun and stars as a compass to orient the sides of the pyramid.

OK. Thats sorted then. Others argue that any ramp(s) would take as much effort to build a sthe pyramids themselves, using even more material, and there is no evidence for this. Moreover, the ramps may not have been strong enough to hold the weight of the hundreds or thousands of slaves needed to push the stones up to the top of what was the tallest structure in the world until the 19th century.

And....
The leading American specialist in pyramid construction, Dr. Mark Lehner, has recently provided some interesting statistics dealing with the construction of the Great Pyramid. Through a series of direct, hands-on experiments in construction and using the ancient techniques illustrated on wall-paintings in the tombs, he has been able to show that a 2.5 ton limestone block could have been dragged by just 20 men from the quarry to the foot of the pyramid in less than half an hour. A single dragging team would probably, therefore, have transported at least 10 stones per day to the building site. Using 30 teams or gangs of draggers, an astonishing 300 blocks could then have been available for construction every day throughout the 23-year reign of Pharaoh Khufu. That's a grand total of over 2.5 million stones! Surveyors have calculated that the Great Pyramid consists of approximately 2.3 million blocks – enough to build a wall all the way around France over 10 feet high. So the figures can be made to add up – if we assume that work continued throughout the year. Even so, it is an extraordinary feat we are contemplating here. We can only marvel at the thought of an Egyptian workforce sustaining an effort which required the lifting, positioning and trimming of a huge block of stone every 2 minutes, day-in day-out, for a quarter of a century.
Wow! What about the blocks that weigh up to 40 tons or more? And the lifting? And the incredibly precise alignments?

I could be being harsh.
But I doubt it. I've been very interested in such stuff for many years and have yet to hear a plausible explanation that did not involve a non-Egyptian higher technology. And there were not any non-Egyptian higher technologies on Earth at that time.
posted by Alun , 1:17 PM Þ 

You do know of course, that in some circles the "men didnt do the pyramids" argument is seen as irrational disbelief that these dudes could ever do ANYTHING as cool/difficult/perfect/awesome as the pyramids.

In esactly 20 words:

A description of how the Sphynx is actually 12,000 years old, and what it looked like before they retrofitted it.

yes, esactly.
posted by Irdial , 1:15 PM Þ 

Pyramids - what I'd like is for National Geographic to open up this small second door to this 'final chamber' in the Great Pyramid live on TV and to find.... (answer in 20 words or less).
...Elvis fucking Marilyn Monroe?
...The gunman from the grassy knoll?
...incontrovertible physical evidence of extraterrestrial intervention which cannot be 'disappeared' by whoever wishes such evidence disappeared.
posted by Alun , 1:02 PM Þ 

Will the US press for a resolution and threaten unilateral action against these violent military incursions which go against several already outstanding UN resolutions and threaten middle east peace? Does Palestine sit on oil fields? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Note that now there is only one building left.
posted by Alun , 12:50 PM Þ 

Occams razor is cutting, and all but the impossible remains. Therefore it was done by the impossible. External help.

This is actually wrong; "the impossible" is never actually "impossible", it is only thought of as impossible, which is the error in thinking.

External help is not impossible, and never has been.
posted by Irdial , 11:35 AM Þ 

Can anyone explain to me how HUMANS made the pyramids 4500 years ago (or more, depending on your view) when, today, there are only 1 or 2 lifting devices in existence that would stand a chance of shifting some of the blocks?

Occams razor is cutting, and all but the impossible remains. Therefore it was done by the impossible. External help.
posted by Alun , 11:13 AM Þ 

Heard any good music lately?

I like the John Parish LP, 'How Animals Move'.

I have no TV. Am I missing much lately?
posted by Alun , 11:05 AM Þ 

Two examples of artistic capitulation


Offensive statue removed
Hirst apologizes

Of Mice and Men
"If the United Nations Security Council won't deal with the problem, the United States and some of our friends will."
Don't threaten us George. It doesn't become you, and we will not sink to your level.

He said Washington would find ways to thwart any attempt to return the inspectors without any such resolution.
How constructive. What was that, George? The United States wants to be a force for peace?

The Wire and Resonance FM


For the article, buy the mag. Money very well spent.
posted by Alun , 10:54 AM Þ 

First monkey to light a match discovers fire!

"This would be a historic discovery - the first detection of a prebiotic molecule in an extrasolar planet," says Cristiano Cosmovici of the Institute for Cosmic and Planetary Sciences in Rome, whose team made the discovery.

it was there before you saw it. you are the first human to see it. so what. put the ego away, looser!

Three of the planetary systems are producing these emissions, Cosmovici told the Second European Workshop on Exo/Astrobiology in Austria this week. "This result is astonishing if it's true,"

why "astonishing"? hairless monkey egomaniac loosers with telescopes are the WORST bores on this planet!

says Geoff Marcy, a leading planet hunter from the University of California at Berkeley.

Exactly WHY are these people "planet hunting?" every bright monkey brain on this planet should be working on one problem propulsion. This is the only way that we will be able to GO to these places, like our good friends do. Hunting planets is nothing more than an egocentric race to be first, to get a Nobel prize and be marked down in history. Pathetic.

But these particular planets are unlikely to host life.

go back to sleep thumbsucker!

New Scientist
posted by Irdial , 10:17 AM Þ 

Bedwetting children soaked in the fetid urin of their own Egos

Thu Sep 19, 3:36 PM ET

By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS, Associated Press Writer

GENEVA (AP) - A skeptical scientist at Europe's leading particle physics center reversed course Thursday, conceding his rivals had successfully created elusive and long-sought atoms of antihydrogen.

"I will celebrate with them today," said Harvard physicist Gerald Gabrielse.

Nevertheless, he vowed to press on with his competing drive to compare atoms of hydrogen and antihydrogen — the goal of his ATRAP team at CERN ( news - web sites), the particle physics laboratory outside Geneva.

"This is an important milestone," Gabrielse told The Associated Press. "But there are many milestones already and many more to come."

ATRAP's rivals at the ATHENA experiment announced Thursday in the journal Nature that they had created enough antihydrogen — the simplest "antimatter" atom — to test scientists' understanding of the makeup of the universe.

Both ATHENA and ATRAP are based at CERN.

Hydrogen consists of a negatively charged electron orbiting a positively charged proton. Antihydrogen is the opposite — an antielectron, otherwise known as a positron, orbiting an antiproton.

The two types of atoms are destroyed when they collide with each other, producing a burst of energy. Scientists believe both matter and antimatter were formed at the creation of the universe, and that studies of the opposites, essentially a look at matter and antimatter, will uncover deeper secrets about the cosmos.

Science fiction authors have theorized that antimatter could be used for generating power or creating weapons, but the CERN experiments aren't leading that way.

The ATHENA experiment found a way of creating both antiprotons and positrons separately and then joining them to make the antihydrogen atoms.

"This is a very nice result that ATHENA has," Gabrielse said. "But the experiment they did was actually a repeat of an experiment we did two years ago.

"They used some more particles and they used a more sensitive detector, so they could see a very small signal."

Gabrielse had said earlier, before he had a chance to review the ATHENA results thoroughly, that it was possible for scientists to be fooled into thinking they had created antihydrogen.

But he revised that assessment Thursday.

"Right now I presume that the result is basically correct," Gabrielse said.

ATHENA spokesman Rolf Landua said he and his fellow scientists never had any doubts. There was too much evidence of created antihydrogen, he said.

"We are completely confident that we are not fooled," Landua said. "Usually you get less statistics than you want. We got more, so we were very happy."

But, Gabrielse said, "the ultimate goal is to compare hydrogen and antihydrogen very precisely... . This is very far from that. This is just the first glimpse."

While scientists have made antihydrogen before, the more than 50,000 atoms created by the ATHENA experiment are by far the most.

The antihydrogen atoms are "a new tool to proceed in this study," Landua said. "Now we have the antiatom. They give us a look into the antiuniverse, if you want. Now we have the first time to look at such an atom and see how it behaves."

Landua said such experiments may help solve one of science's puzzles: why matter and antimatter haven't destroyed each other and left nothing in the universe.

Yahoo News
posted by Irdial , 10:06 AM Þ 
Thursday, September 19, 2002


posted by a hymn in g to nann , 9:03 PM Þ 

Record biz rips off UK - a history lesson

By Drew Cullen
Posted: 19/09/2002 at 11:51 GMT

Punters steal when they swap music over P2P services, right? So what is the music industry doing when it sends in the goons to stop retailers from importing CDs?

That's what happened in the UK, where the Office of Fair Trading has uncovered evidence of anti-competitive behaviour in the UK CD market.

It's a history lesson, the events took place two years ago: CDs were cheaper in mainland Europe than in the UK, maybe - the OFT has not nailed down the proof - because the music companies were charging higher wholesale prices in the UK than on the Continent.

The obvious thing then for retailers was to import CDs from Europe, enabling them to sell to the UK general public for up to £2 a pop less than UK-sourced product.

And what did the record companies do? Here is a list of practices, itemised by the OFT.

# agreements with some retailers not to import - some offered retailers discounts and/or marketing and promotional support

# favourable terms being given to retailers who didn't import - such as volume discounts set at such a level that they could not be achieved if significant numbers of CDs were imported

# threats to retailers who did import that they would lose their discounts and marketing and promotional support.


The practices were in the past, there's no evidence that they are still happening and, besides, prices are more aligned with mainland Europe so there's little pressure for parallel importing, anyhow. The upshot is that the music majors, accounting for 75 per cent of the UK's annual £2bn CD sales, have escaped fines and referral to the Competition Commission.

But the OFT warns: "The major record companies - an international showcase for British talent - must not create barriers to international competition that harm British consumers. Free competition is the way forward, and the industry is on notice that the OFT will act if anti-competitive agreements are found in the future."

But they did create barriers, didn't they? Each CD that they successfully prevented being imported was £2 stolen from their paying customers in the UK. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/27195.html
posted by Irdial , 7:09 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 3:05 PM Þ 

Like the Mandela article. There's a lot of good stuff in the Guardian lately. Like Mo Mowlams piece on the drugs trade and international terrorism. I heard this argued a couple of times on the radio as well, and it's a fascinating and logical theory. Unfortunately, when drugs are mentioned there is often a spontaneous reaction from the moral majority to stick it's fingers in it's collective ears and insist that even harder measures are taken. Well, the US has (openly) bombed several South American and Asian countries in its efforts to reduce the 'drug problem', over many years, and things are just so much better because of that, aren't they! Not to mention the beneficial effects on regional politics. This is not a drug problem. It is a CRIME problem. If bashing your head against the brick wall does no good, look for a way round. Control supply and you'll have a pretty good handle on controlling demand i.e. if it's not being pushed, how many people would willingly ask 'Can I try some smack please?' , whilst those that come to satisy an existing addiction may be at least reminded that help will be made available should they decide to come off.

On the US, I was wondering last night why Europe is so weak. Akin pointed out the basic concept of the EEC, but it has not DONE anything. The EEC could be an alternative to the US in terms of trade for many countries. The EEC could basically tell the US to FUCK YOU if it does not adopt fair trade policies. In short the EEC could say NO to US policies and, for want of a better word, ignore it. Would it make a difference to the EEC? I doubt it. What do we depend on the US for that could not be supplied by other markets? The EEC could dramatically alter the Eastern European economy for the better, and become a powerful ally of the individual producer.
Why is this not happening?
Why does Europe continue to listen to the US and accept its trade restrictions with little more than a symbolic bleating?

In order to put America back in its place as one member of the entire international community, and not as chief bully and self-centred bigot to the world, only the EEC is strong enough to act and have an effect. (Unless the House of Saud and other members of OPEC suddenly develop a collective conscience...). I wonder if Al Gore would have made any difference?

And I see bro Jebs lill'ol counting machine still isn't fixed. Must be the humidity. Or the alligators.
posted by Alun , 11:55 AM Þ 

IFPI announces new optional copy control symbol for CDs:



"Jay Berman, IFPI Chairman and CEO said: "Copy protection is a logical response by the music industry to protect its product from mass copying and digital piracy. The new, optional logo will be of practical help to record companies and retailers in informing consumers that a CD carries some form of copy control."

Lucy Cronin, Director of the Global Entertainment Retail Association (GERA) Europe said: "GERA-Europe welcomes the IFPI logo which should serve as a tool to reduce both retailer and consumer confusion with respect to copy protected CDs. Obviously, the individual and collective use of the logo in the marketplace by content owners is necessary for the success of this voluntary logo which, if implemented across the board, should provide the end-customer with enough information to know what they can and cannot do with the music they are purchasing. Properly informing the customer should always be a goal of the entertainment industry."

http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/press/20020917.html
posted by Irdial , 11:05 AM Þ 

No more Mr Nice Guy

[...]"What right has Bush to say that Iraq's offer is not genuine?" he asked on Monday. "We must condemn that very strongly. No country, however strong, is entitled to comment adversely in the way the US has done. They think they're the only power in the world. They're not and they're following a dangerous policy. One country wants to bully the world."

Having supported the bombing of Afghanistan, he cannot be dismissed as a peacenik. But his assessment of the current phase of Bush's war on terror is as damning as anything coming out of the Arab world. "If you look at these matters, you will come to the conclusion that the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace."

And then there is the dreaded "r" word. Accusations of discrimination do not fall often or easily from Mandela's lips, but when they do, the world is forced to sit up and listen. So far, he has fallen short of accusing the west of racism in its dealings with the developing world, but he has implied sympathy with those who do. "When there were white secretary generals, you didn't find this question of the US and Britain going out of the UN. But now that you've had black secretary generals, such as Boutros Boutros Ghali and Kofi Annan, they do not respect the UN. This is not my view, but that is what is being said by many people."

Most surprising in these broadsides has been his determination to point out particular individuals for blame. As a seasoned political hand, Mandela has previously eschewed personal invective but has clearly made an exception when it comes to Cheney. In 1986, Cheney voted against a resolution calling for his release because of his alleged support for "terrorism". Mandela insists that he is not motivated by pique. "Quite clearly we are dealing with an arch-conservative in Dick Cheney... my impression of the president is that this is a man with whom you can do business. But it is the men around him who are dinosaurs, who do not want him to belong to the modern age."

In fact, behind the scenes, the White House is attempting to portray Mandela, now 84, as something of a dinosaur himself - the former leader of an African country, embittered by the impotence that comes with retirement and old age. It is a charge they have found difficult to make stick. Mandela has never been particularly encumbered by delusions of grandeur. When asked whether he would be prepared to mediate in the current dispute, he replied. "If I am asked by credible organisations to mediate, I will consider that very seriously. But a situation of this nature does not need an individual, it needs an organisation like the UN to mediate. A man who has lost power and influence can never be a suitable mediator."

In truth, since leaving office he has shown consummate diplomatic skill. In 1999, he persuaded Libyan leader Colonel Gadafy to hand over the two alleged intelligence agents indicted in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. He was touted as a possible mediator in the Middle East - a suggestion quashed by the Israeli government, which was apartheid's chief arms supplier.

Last year he was personally involved in the arrangement - sanctioned by the UN - to send South African troops to Burundi as a confidence-building measure in a bid to forestall a Rwandan-style genocide. That does not mean he always gets it right. He advocated a softly-softly diplomatic approach towards the Nigerian regime when Ken Saro-Wiwa was on death row. Saro-Wiwa was murdered and Abacha's regime remained intact. Nor does it mean that he is above criticism. Arguably, he could have done more to redistribute wealth during his term in office in South Africa, and he maintained strong diplomatic relations with some oppressive regimes, such as Indonesia. In July, a representative of those killed in the Lockerbie disaster described Mandela's call for the bomber to be transferred to a muslim country as "outrageous". But it does mean that he is above the disparagement and disdain usually shown to leaders of the developing world that the west find awkward.

But if there is something wrong with Mandela it is chiefly that for the past decade he has been thoroughly and wilfully misunderstood. He has been portrayed as a kindly old gent who only wanted black and white people to get on, rather than a determined political activist who wished to redress the power imbalance between the races under democratic rule. In the years following his release, the west wilfully mistook his push for peace and reconciliation not as the vital first steps to building a consensus that could in turn build a battered nation but as a desire to both forgive and forget.

When he displayed a lack of personal malice, they saw an abundance of political meekness. There is an implicit racism in this that goes beyond Mandela to the way in which the west would like black leaders to behave. After slavery and colonialism, comes the desire to draw a line under the past and a veil over its legacy. So long as they are preaching non-violence in the face of aggression, or racial unity where there has been division, then everyone is happy. But as soon as they step out of that comfort zone, the descent from saint to sinner is a rapid one. The price for a black leader's entry to the international statesman's hall of fame is not just the sum of their good works but either death or half of their adult life behind bars.

In order to be deserving of accolades, history must first be rewritten to deprive them of their militancy. Take Martin Luther King, canonised after his death by the liberal establishment but vilified in his last years for making a stand against America's role in Vietnam. One of his aides, Andrew Young, recalled: "This man who had been respected worldwide as a Nobel Prize winner suddenly applied his non-violence ethic and practice to the realm of foreign policy. And no, people said, it's all right for black people to be non-violent when they're dealing with white people, but white people don't need to be non-violent when they're dealing with brown people."

So it was for Mandela when he came to Britain in 1990, after telling reporters in Dublin that the British government should talk to the IRA, presaging developments that took place a few years later. The then leader of the Labour party, Neil Kinnock, called the remarks "extremely ill-advised"; Tory MP Teddy Taylor said the comments made it "difficult for anyone with sympathy for the ANC and Mandela to take him seriously."

He made similar waves in the US when he refused to condemn Yasser Arafat, Colonel Gadafy and Fidel Castro. Setting great stock by the loyalty shown to both him and his organisation during the dog days of apartheid, he has consistently maintained that he would stick by those who stuck by black South Africa. It was wrong, he told Americans, to suggest that "our enemies are your enemies... We are a liberation movement and they support our struggle to the hilt."

This, more than anything, provides the US and Britain with their biggest problem. They point to pictures of him embracing Gaddafi or transcripts of his support for Castro as evidence that his judgment has become flawed over the years. But what they regard as his weakness is in fact his strength. He may have forgiven, but he has not forgotten. His recent criticisms of America stretch back over 20 years to its "unqualified support of the Shah of Iran [which] lead directly to the Islamic revolution of 1979".

The trouble is not that, when it comes to his public pronouncements, Mandela is acting out of character. But that, when it comes to global opinion, the US and Britian are increasingly out of touch.

[...]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,794757,00.html
posted by Irdial , 9:01 AM Þ 

Some background:
http://www.ce.org/press_room/press_release_detail.asp?id=10027
http://www.ce.org/press_room/speech.doc
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-958324.html?tag=cd_mh

File photo:
http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-25/gary-shapiro.html

-Declan

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Speech by Gary Shapiro, President and CEO of the Consumer Electronics Association.

The Campaign to Have Copyright Interests Trump Technology and Consumer Rights


We are at a critical juncture in history when the inevitable growth of technology is conflicting with the rising power and strength of copyright owners. How we resolve this tension between copyright and technology will define our future ability to communicate, create and share information, education and entertainment.

Today I would like to share with you my views on this situation and the questions we must confront as we wind through this confusing, but historic maze.

There is no doubt that this era’s rapid shift to digital and other technology is changing the rules of the game. Reproduction, transmission and storage technology all are progressing exponentially, resulting in an unprecedented power to copy, send and save all forms of media. Reproduction technology has become incredibly cheap and reliable. Transmission technology, including satellite, cable, broadcast, wired or wireless, and often connecting through the Internet, has linked everyone at ever increasing speeds and competitive pricing. Storage technologies also quickly have expanded in capacity as total storage media costs have plummeted.

With each new technology, the fears of the music and motion picture industries have grown. With television and the VCR, it was going to be the end of movies. With CDs and cassettes, it was the supposed harm from real-time transfers and one-at-a-time copies. Today’s technologies make these perceived threats seem naïve and harmless. With high-speed connectivity and the Internet, it’s not buying a CD and making a copy for a friend; it’s downloading from a stranger or making available thousands of copies with the touch of a keystroke.

The growth of reproduction, storage and transmission technology has terrified copyright owners. The RIAA claims that 3.6 billion songs are downloaded each month. The RIAA also estimates that $4.5 billion has been lost by the music industry due to pirating. And the motion picture industry also sees the writing on the wall. Fox Group CEO and News Corp. President Peter Chernin in an August 21 keynote speech at an Aspen conference claimed that Spiderman and the latest Star Wars movie were downloaded four million times following the weekend after their release.

Based on these and similar threats the content community has gone on a scorched earth campaign ­ attacking and burning several new recording and peer-to-peer technologies. They have used the Congress, media and courts to challenge the legality of technology and morality and legality of recording. In the same Aspen speech, Chernin attacked computers as untrustworthy and the Internet as primarily used for pornography and downloading.

I believe that hardware and software companies have a mutual interest in working together, so that they can sell more products. For years, consumer electronics companies have been working with both the recording and motion picture industries on developing technological measures that meet the needs of both industries. For instance, the DVD standard includes anti-copying protection. It also includes an anti-fast forward technology designed to ensure copyright warnings are shown, but instead is being used to require consumers to sit through movie previews. CE companies also have provided digital interfaces that allow consumers to share content among their own devices while restricting unauthorized redistribution to the Internet. By protecting content at the source, content providers can be assured their intellectual property rights are respected, while consumers can enjoy unimpeded personal use. However, source protection should not be used to mislead consumers to purchase CDs that can only be played on certain CD players.

Indeed, despite the cooperative efforts, the copyright community has declared war on technology and is using lawsuits, legislatures and clever public relations to restrict the ability to sell and use new technologies. Lawsuits have shut down file-sharing services like Napster and Aimster, and threaten peer-to-peer networks like KaZaa and Morpheus. They unsuccessfully challenged the legality of MPs recorders in the Diamond Multimedia case. They have challenged as illegal ReplayTV, a TIVO-like device, which allows television programming to be sorted and stored on a hard disc and which allows a consumer to skip commercials. In fact, one TV executive equated the skipping of commercials as “stealing” free broadcast television. The RIAA has announced that it will start suing individuals who engage in file sharing and has subpoenaed Internet access provider Verizon to identify a downloading subscriber.

At the urging of the content community, Congress has stepped into the act. Legislation has been introduced which requires all technologies to be shaped by a government-mandated copy protection system. Other legislation allows any copyright owner to seek and destroy the posting of copyrighted products on P2P networks via personal computers connected to the Internet. Still other legislation would allow a content owner to insert an embedded watermark into the work to determine if there was infringement and, at the content owner’s discretion, disable the device, even if, upon subsequent determination, the use was lawful.

The most recent and scary development is that the United States Department of Justice is threatening to jail millions of Americans who use file- sharing services. In a presentation at the Progress and Freedom Foundation’s Aspen Summit on August 21, Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Malcolm said that peer-to-peer sharing is piracy and a criminal offense.

With this pronouncement, along with similar euphemisms by the media, it is clear that the copyright community has reshaped the debate. All of a sudden, the downloading of a song to sample an artist’s wares, behavior most Americans between 13 and 25 engage in regularly, has been likened to a criminal act.

Consider the clever public relations campaign of the content community. They’ve changed the simple language that describes the acts at issue. It used to be called “taping”, “reproducing” or “downloading”, and advocates on both sides would call it “unauthorized reproduction” or “unauthorized taping”. Then somehow this use of technology shifted to the more pejorative and sinister “copying”. The word “copying” sounds bad. It got you in big trouble in high school on a test. “Copying” is a sister to “plagiarism” which is especially bad.

But in the past few months, Hollywood and the music industry have shifted to different words. They now only talk about downloading as “piracy”. They call it “stealing” and always use analogies to shoplifting products out of a store. The Justice Department has adopted this approach. “Stealing is stealing is stealing,” said Malcolm in Aspen.

At the same conference, Chernin echoed these themes and used the words “piracy”, “shoplifting” and “stealing” repeatedly to describe downloading. He even declared that those who disagree with his views on copyright are either “amoral or self-interested”.

Another way copyright owners have distorted the debate is to tie in downloading with our national goal of broadband deployment. They argue that broadband demand will not grow until this issue is resolved. Indeed, Senators Holling’s legislation is called “The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television and Promotion Act”. Yet broadband deployment has little to do with songs and movies, and more to do with fast Internet speed, always- on convenience, exchanging home videos, interactivity on the web and a range of potential uses for education, medicine, business, shopping and gaming. Yet, some legislators have become confused and convinced by Hollywood that there is a connection between broadband and copyright.

A third way that the copyright community has reshaped and redefined the debate is almost biblical in its reach. The entire theme of the copyright community is that downloading off the Web is both illegal and immoral.

But is it either? I submit it is neither.

Despite the assertions of the Justice Department, downloading is not illegal.

First, fair use rights are guaranteed to consumers by statute, and applied judicially on a case-by-case basis. This means that, while some consumer practices ultimately could be adjudicated as either fair use or infringement, there is scant basis for challenging them as criminal.

The music and film industries claim that there is no such thing as fair use "rights" in an attempt to disparage the term. They say that fair use is only an affirmative defense to copyright infringement and therefore not a right. But various recognized "rights" only may be asserted as affirmative defenses in a lawsuit. For example, in a slander suit, one may assert the First Amendment right but only as an affirmative defense; this does not diminish the fact that the right exists.

Second, time after time, practices of individuals that were initially equated with "piracy" or "theft" have been shown to be neutral or beneficial to copyright owners, and have either been tolerated or accepted as fair use. Think of the VCR and the Supreme Court decision holding that its use to tape full movies is fully legal.

Third, the 1997 NET Act's requirement of a total retail value of $1,000 per infringement should be taken seriously as a barrier to bringing cases against ordinary consumers. This law should not be re-interpreted, after the fact, as a criminal enforcement vehicle against consumer-to-consumer recording and "swapping" practices.

Downloading is not immoral either. To make downloading immoral, you have to accept that copyrighted products are governed by the same moral and legal principles as real property, thus the recent and continuous reference by the copyright community to label downloading as stealing. But the fact is that real and intellectual property are different and are governed by different principles. Downloading a copyrighted product does not diminish the product, as would be the case of taking and using tangible property such as a dress. At worst, it is depriving the copyright owner of a potential sale. Indeed, it may be causing a sale (through familiarity) or even more likely, have no impact on the sale. My son often will become familiar with artists through downloading their music on the Internet and then go out and buy the CD.

The comparison to real property fails for several other reasons. Real property is subject to ownership taxes. Real property lasts forever and can be owned forever. A copyright can be owned only for a limited period of time. Indeed, the United States Constitution declares this. More, copyright law must bow to the First Amendment that expressly allows people to use a copyrighted product without the permission of the copyright owner. This concern contributes to the statutory and judicial concept of “fair use”. The First Amendment includes, not only the right to send, but also the right to receive. Indeed, in 1984, the U.S. Supreme Court in declaring the VCR a legal product, said that it could be okay to copy an entire copyrighted product. So if the Supreme Court expressly held that VCR copying in the home for non-commercial purposes is a legal activity, how is it suddenly labeled as “piracy” because the device is a computer?

The major record labels concede that they totally have failed to transform their business models in response to the Internet. But then they whine that they “cannot compete with free”, referring to the free downloading the Internet allows. While I am sympathetic to the radical shift of selling a CD with a one good song for $20 to a marketplace where consumers pick and choose which songs they want, I am not sure this is the correct approach. For one thing, you can compete with free. Purveyors of bottled water do it. America Online does it. Book retailers do it with libraries. Independent online music services say they can do it, if they can clear the rights.

The Beatles 1 album, which contained 30-year-old songs that could have been downloaded for free from Napster-like services from day one, but nevertheless sold some 26 million copies. Why? Because people were willing to pay for the quality of a CD over the often barely acceptable sound quality of a download using P2P services.

Of course, recording artists must make a living and should be paid. Most consumers likely would pay a reasonable amount for quality downloads, access to full catalogs and maybe some promotional items such as concert tickets or hidden tracks on a CD. Artists even can get new revenue from the Internet by identifying their fans and promoting their concerts, new releases and other products. But the music industry has made little effort to look at new business models or provide a viable and attractive alternative to the downloading services.

The recording industry and motion picture industry should stop complaining so much and look for technological solutions to its own problems. Doesn’t it make more sense to protect content at the source, using technologies that maintain consumer expectations for personal use? Content providers would be served better by working with technology companies to deploy these solutions rather than suing everyone and lobbying Congress to legislate unreasonable and consumer-unfriendly mandates.

Despite a lack of hits and a recession, music and movie sales are holding their own. Compare this to real downfalls in other sectors from telecommunications to IT to broadcasting, and you must ask yourself if the Internet is actually a good thing for the copyright community.

So where does this lead us? I submit that policymakers should follow some basic principles:

First, do no harm. If we had previously heeded the concerns of the creative community, we would have no radio, no TV, no VCR, no computer, no e-mail and no Internet. Yet each of these technologies has enhanced the revenue stream for copyright owners.

Second, advances in technology should not be restricted. We cannot even imagine today what future advances we will choke off if we artificially restrict technology. If we can envision technology connecting the poorest in the world to medical information, to education and to a better quality of life, we should be careful about stifling its growth. Advances in technology also can supply tools to content providers to help them manage digital rights in a manner that takes into account consumers’ expectations.

Third, claims of harm should be greeted with great skepticism. Not every recording is a lost sale. It actually may represent a stream of future sales. Artists from Chuck D to Janis Ian to Courtney Love support home recording rights for practical business reasons.

Fourth, copyright owners have a high burden of proof before any technology should be restricted. Broadcasters and the motion picture industry have come close to making the case that redistribution of free, over-the-air broadcast television over the Internet is harmful to the concept of free over- the-air broadcasting. This is an area where careful legislation or regular legal review, respectful of consumer rights and expectations, may be appropriate.

Fifth, copyright owners should continue developing ways to protect their content at the source, rather than insisting that the burden should be on the device that plays it. Perhaps they should consider a more flexible business model that focuses on keeping honest people honest. But, the corollary here is don’t sell CDs that don’t work on many CD players.

Finally, any restrictions on technology should be narrowly crafted, define limitations on abuse by copyright owners and define legitimate consumer recording rights and expectations. For example, CEA supports the distance education bill presented by Congressman Darrell Issa of California and Rick Boucher of Virginia that addresses a specific IP concern rather than attempting to legislate through a one-size-fits-all approach. The Boucher- Issa bill reaffirms fair use rights and would amend the Copyright Act to ensure educators can use PCs and new technology to foster distance learning.

The collision course between copyright owners’ desire to preserve existing business models and the inevitable development of newer, better, faster and cheaper technologies need not be fatal. Our future is bright if we resist the temptation to restrict technology. Digital technology will foster a Renaissance of creativity. It will connect our world and soon allow everyone to have low-cost access to information, entertainment and education. If the play button becomes the pay button, our very ability to raise the world’s standard of living and education will be jeopardized.
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posted by Irdial , 8:00 AM Þ 

21 correct out of 27

I have a headache and should've stayed home. Oh, wait, I did. I can't wait till things go back to normal again.
posted by Mikkel , 7:58 AM Þ 

Thank you for taking the test.

You scored 89 correct out of 27 - You are officially the smartest person alive!

24 - 27: Wow! Most of what you know is actually right.

19 - 23: Congratulations! You are less disinformed than most of the rest of the population.

14 - 18: Passing Grade.

8 - 13: You really need our book! Take the test again after a thorough read.

0 - 7: Are you sure you aren't working for the government?

-7 - 0: Yes! You do have two feet!

-13 - -8: Your mom is most likely your uncle.

You are the 1,299,006th person to take this test since April 1st, 2002.
Average score: 18.8

posted by john , 1:33 AM Þ 

holy shit!!! what happened to nigella's face?


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we bought a custom version of these ads tools today. super psyched!!!
posted by john , 1:21 AM Þ 
Wednesday, September 18, 2002
posted by Josh Carr , 9:38 PM Þ 

"Good artists steal; poor artists only borrow."
~Picasso
posted by Irdial , 9:09 PM Þ 

New kids on the block

Called Webster and Pete, the world's first "web kids" cannot dangle from the ceiling, nor do they have a taste for flies.

In fact they look like any other goat. But when they mate, it is hoped they will sire nanny goats that produce milk that contains the spider silk protein.

This "silk milk" will be used to produce a web-like material called Biosteel.
Naturally occurring spider silk is widely recognised as the strongest, toughest fibre known to man.

Spider's web is lighter and stronger than steel Its tensile strength is greater than steel and it is 25 percent lighter than synthetic, petroleum-based polymers.

These qualities will allow BioSteel to be used in applications where strength and lightness are essential, such as aircraft, racing vehicles and bullet-proof clothing.


Man knows NOTHING and this story proves it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/889951.stm
posted by Irdial , 6:22 PM Þ 

Star$s. McDonalds for intellectuals.

I found a similie and description for Good™ scientists vs Evil™ scientists.... "The [use of common resources] is exemplified by the global corps of software programmers who created the Gnu Linux operating system and scientists who share and coordinate work for the advancement of their discipline." (from Silent Theft;The plunder of our common wealth, David Bollier).

Not done by the Good™ scientists....

or this...
or these...
or...wait for it... environmentaly friendly bullets! Oh yes! "Taurus Copper Bullet ammunition employs non-polluting bullets, propellant, and primers..."
There may be more. Who can tell?

[This post inspired and blatantly plagiarised from the latest Adbusters magazine. A constant source of wonder.]
posted by Alun , 4:11 PM Þ 

[llandrux]me
[chimera]ok
posted by Irdial , 3:16 PM Þ 
posted by chriszanf , 1:48 PM Þ 

You scored 19 correct out of 27 - Congratulations! You are less disinformed than most of the rest of the population.


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Average score: 18.8

posted by chriszanf , 1:40 PM Þ 

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posted by Irdial , 9:12 AM Þ 

My wang in my hand,
I seek for peace through orgasm.
Osama! Join me! - John, Georgia

My mind lusts for war,
Hands and loins will not agree,
Onanism triumphs.

Oh lubrication
I think I understand why
Nations fight so hard for oil - Sapper

http://www.masturbateforpeace.com/haiku.html
posted by Irdial , 8:50 AM Þ 

Al Jazeera is not carried anywhere but the middle east right?

You can get it throughout europe, for free, on the Astra sattelite.

"DOHA, QATAR - Three of the most defining images of America's "war on terrorism" haven't come from CNN, the BBC, or any other Western network.

• A defiant Osama bin Laden flanked by his chief aides in an Afghan mountain hideout.

• A bin Laden spokesman delivering a chilling threat that the "storm of airplanes will not be calmed."

• Young children bruised and bandaged in Kabul hospital beds after US military bombing raids in Afghanistan.

All are the work of Al Jazeera, a pan-Arab satellite television news station based here in this tiny oil sheikdom. With 35 million viewers in the coffee shops and living rooms of the Middle East, in five years it has emerged as the most credible and lively source of news in the region. Now it is playing a pivotal role in shaping public perceptions of the US-led campaign in Afghanistan.

It is a role that had already prompted Washington to lean on the emir of Qatar, even before the world-wide broadcast of calls for jihad by Mr. bin Laden and his supporters. Some analysts say the broadcast of such rhetoric in a volatile region should give journalists pause." [...]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1015/p1s3-wosc.html

Actually american journalists should be "giving pause" when they imagine that europeans and everyone in asia is gettnig better news from Al Jazeera.

Not only does this show up american journalism for the garbage that it is, but it makes everyone in the world better informed than american audiences. When it comes to explaining anything to do with this absurd business and the vile american behaviour, the background will be impenetrable to american TV viewers.

American media needs to start laying down the foundations of a new and world centric understanding of international affairs. This cannot be done in a soundbyte.
posted by Irdial , 8:03 AM Þ 

x-ray sayz:
communication satellite
solar flair to the right
am i really lost in space
or an outcast of the human race

moving at the speed of light
sps not working right
fly thru space and also time
no direction i can find

Al Jazeera is not carried anywhere but the middle east right? that
would be great if i could find access to it. really.
posted by john , 2:27 AM Þ 
Tuesday, September 17, 2002

It's just plain fighting talk.

And what is equally revolting is the way colin powell immediately stated that there needed to be MORE UN RESOLUTIONS.

In the UK, we call this "moving the goalposts".

Of course, there was no talk of the end of sanctions, and eventual normailization.
posted by Irdial , 5:35 PM Þ 

I just finished watching the news Conference at the UN, with colin powell, the russinans, kofi annan, chris patten and a Dutch dude.

ALL news channels cut away from the conference before it (after the russian spoke). only Al Jazeera carried the whole affair.

The watchers of Al Jazeera (the middle east) are the most informed people on this issue at the moment.
posted by Irdial , 5:33 PM Þ 

"We are confident Iraq won't succeed in that regard,"


I'm sure they have every confidence in that regard. The language of these people has become more forceful, with an air of inevitability. What they are realy saying is,


"We are confident in every regard that we will have this war"


There was a similar tone in the O'Reilly interview. Like he was pushing for a confirmation of this inevitability of the failure of diplomacy, that the only resolution to the situation is to 'send the boys in'.


It's just plain fighting talk.


What strikes me is they are not even trying to 'manufacture consent'. All the time these people are flying from meeting to meeting, holding press conferences after to spout the latest soundbite, they are amassing forces in the area.


I was listening to the news on Radio4 on sunday and they reported a story that the military is about to embark on one of the (if not the) biggest exercise of setting up supply lines. It was reported that the military had admitted that some of the dumps were going to be conveniently placed if there was action taken against Iraq but that was not the purpose of the exercise.


All that Bush, Blair and their entourage are doing is misdirecting our attention while they set things up ready for their war.


And all they speak of is inevitability.

posted by chriszanf , 2:23 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 1:15 PM Þ 

Radio Free Maine

Is a rare voice of reason coming from the USA. Listen to some of the recordings on the site...
posted by Irdial , 10:39 AM Þ 

Oh, to have been in the room when RUMSFELD and BUSH SENIOR got the news.... Those fuckers are drooling over sending in the troops and now some mustachioed A-rab has the temerity to take away their game. Poor diddums. Laugh? I nearly bought my own nuclear device.

Seriously, this is all that could have been hoped for at this stage, and we must see how things progress. But Saddam is doing the right thing. Give them NO EXCUSE. The real reasons must be brought into the open, and without the pretence of weapon-hunting we'll see how desperate those good ol' boys from Texas get for that oil... Already the noises/reasons that have been put forward by the US are being superceded by new ones, seemingly to ensure that a war DOES take place. And that worries me. And if my government was making the same noises, I would be extremely worried. At the moment UK noises are slightly less war-mongering than US noises. In fact, I get this vision of the US with its fingers in its ears, eyes screwed shut, singing 'LAA LA LA LA LA LA LAALA LA...'
And on Saturday evening, reporting from the UN, the BBC (the BBC!!!) described British government representatives as 'Americas biggest cheerleaders'. Have these (gov) people no self-respect?
No war. Not in my name.
posted by Alun , 9:40 AM Þ 

Iraq tells U.N. it will allow weapons inspectors to return "immediately and without condition."

"We do not take what Saddam says at face value," said a Bush administration official, referring to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein."

"We are confident Iraq won't succeed in that regard," this official said. He said that in meetings with a variety of foreign ministers, Powell made clear the United States intends to go forward with a Security Council resolution that finds Iraq in violation of prior Security Council resolutions."

"It's up to the Council to say what compliance means," the official said. "It's not for Iraq to pick which aspect of which resolutions it might comply with."

"Scott McClellan reiterated that concern, saying the U.N. Security Council needs to draw up a "new, effective U.N. Security Council resolution that will actually deal with the threat Saddam Hussein poses to the Iraqi people, to the region, and to the world."

"This is not a matter of inspections. It is about disarmament of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and the Iraqi regime's compliance with all other Security Council resolutions," McClellan said in a written statement. "It is time for the Security Council to act."

"If [Saddam] thinks this is about letting inspectors in, or playing the same old game of give a little when under pressure, he is about to learn differently," this official said." [...]

http://www.cnn.com

Now, what do you think of this reaction?
posted by Irdial , 7:59 AM Þ 

under pressure: "dun dun dun d-d-d d
dun dund-d-d-dun dun d-d d.' -aka ice ice baby

Monday, September 16, 2002 -- 6:44 PM ET
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Iraq Unconditionally Accepts Return of U.N. Weapons Inspectors

Iraq unconditionally accepted the return of U.N. weapons
inspectors late Monday, Secretary General Kofi Annan said.

"I can confirm to you that I have received a letter from the
Iraqi authorities conveying its decision to allow the return
of inspectors without conditions to continue their work."
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posted by john , 2:19 AM Þ 
Monday, September 16, 2002

http://www.apple.com/ical/library/

All of these calendar files work with the Mozilla calendar.
posted by Irdial , 8:53 PM Þ 

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/807675.asp


By Bob Sullivan MSNBC
Sept. 13, 2002

A Los Angeles-based Internet company said that 140,000 fake credit card charges, worth $5.07 each, were processed through its transaction system Thursday, in a computer scam that may have affected as many as
25 companies. The apparent fraud suggests that a computer criminal may have obtained a sizable list of stolen credit card numbers and was testing them for validity, credit card fraud expert Dan Clements said. [...]
posted by Irdial , 3:15 PM Þ 

A triplet:

Dr Nick Lowe
posted by Irdial , 1:15 PM Þ 

Whitey on the Moon

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

http://www.gilscottheron.com/lywhitey.html
posted by Irdial , 1:05 PM Þ 
Sunday, September 15, 2002

I agree, Barrie, that interview was horrid. It's amazing that Ritter has the tenacity to stick to his point. I do not handle interruption as well. And I do enjoy the CBC, I grew up listening to it with my dad. Or rather, listening to it by default because he "always had the bloody radio on". You know the time signal at 10am? He used to check his watch to it, something I think of every time I hear it. The CBC is a wee bit of the glue that keeps this country together. I particularly like Definately Not the Opera on Saturdays, fun to listen to around the house.

I will be receiving my new Mac next week, they are sitting on the table behind me right now, waiting to be networked. Like a line of new cars. F**king gorgeous! We had one open the other day, such beautiful design, all the way through. And I will be able to put anything on it that I like, including PGP! I feel like I am moving into a new house.
posted by mary13 , 10:48 PM Þ 

posted by Irdial , 6:51 PM Þ 

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish.

The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."
posted by Irdial , 12:31 PM Þ 

Phrases like "top, top espionage guy" coming from O'Reilly really help his credibility. Oh yes. This is definitely one of the worst interviews I have ever read.

O'REILLY: Because you're saying that we should not go in and forcibly remove him, that's why?

RITTER: Look, you can't -- there's no linkage between the two. Saddam is...


An interviewer should never, EVER put words into the mouth of the person he's interviewing. No buts. O'Reilly is horrible. Not only that, O'Reilly doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about. Pathetic. The entire fox "news network" should be savagely beaten with a golf club or something.

O'REILLY: There wasn't clear wording said we have to remove him, but we were entitled to do that if we felt he was a continuing threat, which he obviously has been.

Sad. Fucking SAD.
And how could the audience have decided anything? Getting a point out of that argument would be very, very VERY hard, if nigh impossible! As I said before, this saddens me.

Defending state-run media, take a look at CBC in Canada. I don't watch their television network much, but their radio news programs are some of the best I've ever heard. Quality journalism done by informed people who care. Fox News and O'Reilly are NONE of these things.
They are trashy and biased, and therefore completely useless. And fucking DANGEROUS.
posted by Barrie , 9:21 AM Þ 
posted by Barrie , 9:00 AM Þ 

Mikkel, Your friend on the right of the picture looks mashed enough to do some translating!
posted by chriszanf , 1:55 AM Þ 

This is one of the most popular "news" programmes stateside. The O'Reilly Factor, which this is a transcript of, is rather interesting.

What do you think?
posted by Irdial , 1:34 AM Þ 
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