Saturday, February 22, 2003

winter drops the leaves
the burning bush sings of war
hope covered frozen
posted by Irdial , 6:51 PM Þ 

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posted by Irdial , 5:29 PM Þ 

posted by Claus Eggers , 4:33 PM Þ 

posted by Irdial , 5:46 AM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 4:45 AM Þ 

Its loud, but not painful.

that's what I surmised... Lesser's digital garblefuck is pretty damn hard on the ears (like knives, Or razors)

Luigi Russolo's futurist compositions were made with very large brass-horn speakers. The compositions could be considered noise, but not quite the type of noise I'm talking about (though cool, nonetheless).

"Record companies everywhere find that they not only need to fight piracy, but also develop alternate revenue streams."

Wow. It took them long enough to think that y'know... changing as the world changes would be a good idea. Why, pray tell, do corporations always want to stick with the satus-quo? That's completely unnatural.

IHT: "Are U.S. and France heading for divorce?"
GW is totally the perfect drunken wife beater. Just look at him!
posted by Barrie , 4:18 AM Þ 

Its loud, but not painful.
posted by Irdial , 4:04 AM Þ 

Industry executives say this reality also is beginning to draw attention in Europe and the United States, where music companies face falling revenue from compact disk sales as Internet piracy increases.
"The financial effect is the same for record companies whether people get illegal compact disks for $1 on the street in China or download a song for free from the Internet in Europe," said Jay Berman, chairman and chief executive of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, a London-based group representing 1,500 firms. "Record companies everywhere find that they not only need to fight piracy, but also develop alternate revenue streams."
Piracy - which accounts for 95 percent of music sales in China, according to Berman's organization - has forced multinational record companies serving the world's most populous country to abandon classic-style album contracts, drop development of formal distribution channels and eliminate any possibility of a top-40 list based on sales.

posted by Irdial , 4:03 AM Þ 

Man... that clears everything up, akin. Whoever made that is a GENIUS.
Someone told me that LOVE is the new black!!

Re: Modern Nasty Recordings:
Has anyone ever heard NOISE music made with analog equipment? It seems possibly enough. It would sound... nice. WHOOOOM.
posted by Barrie , 4:02 AM Þ 

FINALLY someone has laid it all out!
posted by Irdial , 3:26 AM Þ 
Friday, February 21, 2003
posted by Claus Eggers , 10:58 PM Þ 
posted by Claus Eggers , 10:57 PM Þ 
posted by Claus Eggers , 10:50 PM Þ 

Mess - what's the matter with Savage Pencil?
posted by captain davros , 8:00 PM Þ 

You and those like you are dedicated to killing and bringing misery to people wherever they are. God blessed you with the capacity to lead and also endowed you with enormous resources. You could have used your influence in Afghanistan to develop it, to bring it out of poverty and show the world what Islam can do for those who believe in it.

This approach has been tried and tried again by the enlightened, educated and powerful, and througout the post colonial era, many countries have been sabotaged, alot of them democratically elected.

Thier leaders have been assasinated simply because they were not capitalists, thier coutries blockaded, and trade with them made illegal. OBL believes, truely, that the only way to get the progress that his leadership ability and $$ could bring is to fatally injure the people who make it impossible for third worlders to develop in the ways that they feel are correct, without coercion or unreasonable demands that they follow the political structure of other countries.

For a man such as him to take his frustration so far is a measure of how deep this problem is, and I'm afraid its words like this editorial, that ignore recent history, either deliberately or through ignorance, that are part of the problem.
posted by Irdial , 7:41 PM Þ 

Exhibition of drawings in ball point pen on paper, and five enlarged wall drawings all based on found snapshots.
total borofsky influence (in the mid-70's he used a projector to help make wall drawings). Harrel is GREAT! Thanks for that link.
posted by Barrie , 6:37 PM Þ 

Give 'em Helen

I read this in Harper's yesterday and found it archived on the Common Dreams website. It is from a January 6 exchange between White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer and Helen Thomas, a columnist for Hearst Newspapers. Thomas, who is 82, has been covering the White House for 42 years.
posted by Josh Carr , 4:27 PM Þ 
posted by Mess Noone , 3:47 PM Þ 

I've just been turned on to the work of Harrell Fletcher whose art exhibitions and installations are concerned with real people and stories. I am particulalry fond of his exhibitions Boy and People In Real Life and his public artworks Some People From Around Here... and These Fine People. His work is shown in parking garages and empty stores in malls, on road sides and in schools.

He also collaborates with Miranda July on the webproject Learning to Love You More which asks viewers to complete projects with instructions like Make a child's outfit in an adult size or Make a documentary video about a small child or Make a drawing of an image that you find sexually arousing or Recreate the moment after a crime or Recreate a poster you had as a teenager. One then documents the project to be archived on the website, included in a group show or brought to one of Miranda July's performances (which are some of the most imaginative and magical I have ever experienced).
posted by Josh Carr , 3:36 PM Þ 

This open letter to bin Laden is really on point:

[...]You and those like you are dedicated to killing and bringing misery to people wherever they are. God blessed you with the capacity to lead and also endowed you with enormous resources. You could have used your influence in Afghanistan to develop it, to bring it out of poverty and show the world what Islam can do for those who believe in it. You chose to provoke and bring war to a people who had already been devastated by wars.[...]
posted by Josh Carr , 3:12 PM Þ 
posted by Claus Eggers , 2:31 PM Þ 

Britons face extradition for 'thought crime' on net

By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
(Filed: 18/02/2003)

British citizens will be extradited for what critics have called a "thought crime" under a new European arrest warrant, the Government has conceded.

Campaigners fear they could even face trial for broadcasting "xenophobic or racist" remarks - such as denying the Holocaust - on an internet chatroom in another country.

The Government has undertaken that if such "offences" take place in Britain the perpetrators would not be extradited - but it will be for the courts to decide the location of the crime.

This opens up the prospect of a judge agreeing to extradite someone whose observations, though made in Britain, were broadcast exclusively in a country where they constitute a crime.

Legislation now before Parliament will make "xenophobia and racism" one of 32 crimes for which the European arrest warrant can be issued without the existing safeguard of dual criminality. This requires that an extraditable offence must also be a crime in the UK.

Alongside the arrest warrant, EU ministers are negotiating a new directive to establish a common set of offences to criminalise xenophobia and racism.

Countries such as Germany and Austria have crimes such as denying the Holocaust which have no equivalent in Britain. Under current laws, if a British citizen committed this offence in Germany and returned to the UK, he could not be extradited.

However, this will change when the arrest warrant becomes law next year. Lord Filkin, the Home Office minister, told MPs: "If someone went to Germany and stood up in Cologne market place and shouted the odds, denying the Holocaust, and then came back [to Britain], they would be subject to extradition under the European arrest warrant."

Holocaust denial laws are in place in seven EU countries but they would be a big departure for Britain, where a risk of fomenting public disorder is needed before a thought becomes a crime.

A German historian who claimed that Auschwitz prisoners enjoyed cinemas, a swimming pool and brothels was sentenced to 10 months in jail.[...]

The Telegraph
posted by Irdial , 1:00 PM Þ 

Is Hussein Owner of Crashed UFO?

“An UFO-related incident that occurred four years ago poses a troubling question whether any kind of cooperation is possible between Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and extraterrestrials,” UFOlogist Joseph Trainor declared in his review UFO Roundup (issue 51 of December 17, 2002). “On December 16, 1998, during Operation Desert Fox against Iraq, a video clip aired on CNN showed a UFO hovering over Baghdad; it moved away to avoid a stream of tracer anti-aircraft fire. At that time we all thought it was another UFO sighting, although captured on videotape. But now, ufologists think it was much more than a mere incident.”

Jack Sarfatti reported that Friday evening, December 6, 2002 “someone called the Art Bell radio show, claimed his connection with the military and informed that a UFO crashed in Iraq several years ago. The USA is currently searching for any pretext to invade Iraq. In fact, the USA is motivated by the greatest fear that Saddam will reverse-engineer the crashed alien spacecraft.”

It is allegedly said that the craft crashed during the Gulf War (1990-1991), or more recently (probably in December 1998). This became some kind of Iraq’s Rosewell. The USA is currently reverse-engineering the Rosewell craft and fears that Saddam’s scientists may become even more successful than Americans in this or that sphere. It was said that these researches may give Iraq a considerable advance and even make it a leading super power.

UFO Roungup’s Arab journalists failed either to confirm or to deny these rumors. Aiasha al-Hatabi replied to Joseph Trainor that “he heard nothing about a UFO crash in Iraq.” In the words of Mohammed Daud al-Hayyat, “there are talks about extraterrestrials in Iraq, but nothing is said about any crash. It is rumored at a market in Sulaimaniya, to the south of Zarzi, that aliens are Saddam’s guests. Where do they stay then? People mention some underground base. But Saddam has a palace in this valley, an old stronghold Qalaat-e-Julundi. Earlier it belonged to the royal family. After the revolution, the government took possession of the fortress, and now, like every palace in Iraq it is “a summer residence” of Saddam Hussein. The fortress is mentioned here for a very simple reason: it is practically impossible to penetrate into it. The citadel stands on a hill surrounded with vertical precipices on three sides; the precipices plunge down to the Little Zab river. It is said that Saddam lets aliens stay there.”
posted by Irdial , 12:53 PM Þ 

Bertelsmann sued over Napster
A group of songwriters, composers and music publishers has launched a $17bn lawsuit against German media giant Bertelsmann, alleging that it helped Napster deprive them of royalties.[...]
posted by Irdial , 12:43 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 12:31 PM Þ Linkchecker....very useful indeed. Many many links in the French version are broken.
posted by Irdial , 12:24 PM Þ 

Chris Morris: the movie..,6737,899690,00.html
posted by Alun , 12:10 PM Þ 

A poster (with no source/sponsor/label) seen on the way to work....

If you're not outraged you're not
paying attention

It wasn't you, Akin, by any chance...?

posted by Alun , 11:36 AM Þ 

A fucked up friday feeling triplet...

Novocaine and able (sic).
posted by Alun , 11:23 AM Þ 

Funny. Savage Pencil turned me off the life I know last night.

Thanks for reminding me.
posted by Mess Noone , 10:37 AM Þ 

That Saddam is a despicable gangster politician does not make his country a military power. It is all but defenseless against the United States, which has been bombing the place for years without losing a single aircraft or pilot. It even lacks the military capabilities of North Korea, a country which does have a set of sharp little teeth, and you can see the difference in George W. Bush’s approach to Kim Jung Il. Instead of the nailed boot, he gets the pussied foot.[...]

New York Observer
posted by Irdial , 10:22 AM Þ 

I have an 5 or so page interview with Savage Pencil from an old copy of Forced Exposure. It's totally key, massively cool and was one of the strongest influences on me getting out of the dole-mess 10 years ago and into art school.
posted by captain davros , 10:07 AM Þ 
posted by captain davros , 10:05 AM Þ 

why mtv doesn't suck?

well i just watched the hi-lights from the 24 courtney love thing they did in the us. it sucked a little bit. they did mention minor threat and riot grrl stuff although she really doesn't have a clue. or if she does, she didn't really explain it well. she kept on trying to talk about girl bands and stuff, but she didn't mention (in the highlights at least) any of the good femmecore / riot grrl bands that were and still are. she also came across as if she was really hung up on race. completely patronising and just annoying.

anyway, made me realise more than before that diy is the only way. difficult is easy.

but it was interesting i guess.
posted by alex_tea , 2:35 AM Þ 

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posted by Irdial , 1:13 AM Þ 

Newsmonster is very, very cool.
posted by Irdial , 12:46 AM Þ 
Thursday, February 20, 2003

The Return of Savage Pencil

If you get a chance to see this months Wire magazine, right at the end, there is a strip by the flawless and brilliant Savage Pencil.
posted by Irdial , 11:42 PM Þ 

for josh carr -

the dvd 5.1 surround mix on the NON record is truly unbelievable. i mean, the album alone is great, but the second disc really makes it a unique listening experience. really physical. only recommended for those with a nice home theatre or equivalent setup, though -- otherwise i suppose it's kind of pointless. the one drawback i noticed (and this could be an element of my dvd player itself) is the fact that while the regular cd is indexed but contains no pauses between tracks, the dvd mix has pauses, and this greatly reduced my enjoyment in listening to the album as one, continuous piece (how it really should be listened to). hope this glitch in the technology can eventually be remedied. but, definitely give it a listen nonetheless. recommended.

posted by Ken , 10:12 PM Þ 

Holy shit. A huge flock of at least 200 sparrows just flew by my window. That was cool.
posted by Barrie , 8:03 PM Þ 

Yikes! Good thing it's not a HUGE sploit - though it could give people ideas for one. Hopefully people get on top of it.
about dvd audio: Josh, quadrophonic sound should not be a problem with DVDs. You can encode however many channels you want onto a dvd (from mono to like, 10.1 or whatever). So, foreseeably you could make a "4.0" style set up - two speakers in front, two in back, or if you want a "4.1" set up, the same but with a seperate channel for a subwoofer.
Jon Borofsky is the man.
posted by Barrie , 7:27 PM Þ 
posted by alex_tea , 6:36 PM Þ 

I actually remember a review in TimeOut this summer of NON's Children of the Black Sun CD which comes packaged with a DVD 5.1 surround mix of the album.

from a review:
And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the bonus disk that comes with the album. It's a 5.1 audio DVD mix of Children of the Black Sun, the first DVD release ever for Boyd Rice and NON. Let me just say that this DVD will crush you to a fine powder. It's like the sounds on the CD taking tangible form -- imagine music as a tactile rather than a sonic experience. Beware. Boyd Rice has proved himself here a master craftsman and manipulator of the very stuff of life itself.

has anyone heard this?
posted by Josh Carr , 5:39 PM Þ 

josh... check out the sound on sound forums, someone there should be able to help you... i'm working on the front end of a dvd right now, although it's just layouts, not programming or anything, and it's rather simple... ;)
posted by alex_tea , 5:35 PM Þ 

I wonder if anyone has any experience with these audio DVDs that have 5.1 surround sound. I have been making quadraphonic sound/music for a couple of years now, really tweaking things for a four channel environment with sound movement and headfuckery, what. But my only option for output has been two stereo CDs or two stereo cassettes. Put two stereos in one room with the four speakers in the four corners and press Play on both at the same time...

Now these audio DVDs offer up quadraphonic sound and I would like to exploit it. Does anyone know of any DVD burning programs that are geared towards audio? Would you mix down to two stereo .wav files or keep the four channels seperate until the burn?

Have any releases begun to really use quadraphonic sound through audio DVDs?
posted by Josh Carr , 5:32 PM Þ 

It is snowing so much, I can't go to school! Curse living outside the city!!

qualifications for qualifications sake have never been my first love
as an artist I have no choice but to get as much qualification I can. It's rather silly but having a piece of paper that says "Master of Fine Arts" is excruciatingly important to being an instructor - something vitally important to continue practice as an artist. Sad. Good thing I completely love what I'm doing.
RSS = win!
posted by Barrie , 5:20 PM Þ 

Hey Alex, listen to this. I love this and most of the others that I can drag thru the firewall here and want to rain kisses over their eager upturned faces. Am I totally alone?
posted by captain davros , 5:19 PM Þ 

my god.
pity the poor soul writing the 'why mtv europe doesn't suck' essay.
there could be some serious spleen-venting.
posted by Alun , 5:15 PM Þ 

sorry. i sounded like a 13 year old there on the nme message board. i think i needed to get it out.
posted by alex_tea , 5:06 PM Þ 

there's too much of this 'emo trance' (as it has come to be known in my house) around. it's so formulaic. get some blonde haired dull voiced girl to sing this overly emotional wretched song with far too much "oooh hoohh ohhh" and add the synthetic equivalent of her looks, this boring middle of the road emotionally unsubtle dirge with all too obvious key changes and 'euphoric' cresendos.


and that fucking counting crows shit. and i quite liked vanessa carlton in some weird misguided pop way. now i want to see her burn in hell. not quite as bad as my flatmate's adoration for fucking avril lavigne. how anyone can take that shit seriously is beyond. my 14 year old sister loves it, i'd much rather she was in to kelly osbourne... well she is, but she just won't accept that avril is a fake pop tart.

i should make her cds full of crass and fugazi mp3s. i might do that actually. at her age i would have loved to have heard crass...

there's too much crap in the charts and on tv. even channels that try to be 'alternative' just come off as shite, mtv2 and kerrang, it's just the same old every day. everybody wnats to be the new big thing, to be the first. it's so boring. and it's not just mainstream culture... all this electroclash shit is really pissing me off with all these crappy wanna be club nights opening everywhere and just playing the same records over and over again and stealing from past cultures without any thought as to why, but just because they think it's the new style.

i'm so bored.

modern life is rubbish...
posted by alex_tea , 5:05 PM Þ 

ha-ha-ha-haaaa! I know what you mean Dr Kirby, and yet, I bloody love that DJ Sammy song. I loved "Heaven" too. I love the originals more, since I am a sad old 80's plank (we used to sing "Girls of Winter" to Boys of Summer, and that later became "Hermaphrodites of Autumn") but somehow I think it's the sad girl vocals that get the plaintiveness of the originals across. I was thinking how weird the "Out on the road today I saw a deadhead sticker on a cadillac" line sounds in the DJ Sammy version - totally botoxed. And maybe that's what I like about it, along with the extensive synth mauling.

Extensive synth mauling (i.e. the feeling you get from all that pumping electronica, like it's just rubbing all over you like steel wool) is cool. Tatu have that, and they are cool. Even Busted are cool, and they mix it with geetars. But by all means keep your rage about DJ Sammy - I'm not out to convert anyone here.

I mean it's not that long ago that I graced these very pixels with witterings about the Strokes. How strange this popular music thing is. If I needed reminding any more of this it could only have been yesterday when I saw Counting Crows doing their "down and funky" version of Big Yellow Taxi. I mean I could type "why?" over and over and over until I wore out everyone's screens and cried all the water out of my body in despair, and still I wouldn't understand it.

Yet it may just sound fine to someone else. Vive la porte!

p.s. It is a bit crap that it seems to be his song and not the original writer's, but that is true of so many classics. I first heard "Money" when the Flying Lizards did it. Took me a while to get round to the version by The Beatles.
posted by captain davros , 4:53 PM Þ 

My contender of the day for the musical congestion charge.

Described by Rolling Stone magazine as "an ode to lissome Ibiza dance gods" and by The Village Voice as "full of bliss like a Botox treatment for the soul,"
Described by me as shite, irritating, musically lazy, inept, functionless, souless pap. Guaranteed to sell millions. At least Mr Sammy won't be picking up the writing royalties, despite the google evidence suggesting the world has forgotten this is not an original tune.


posted by Alun , 4:22 PM Þ 

Congratulations, your RSS source is valid. Good work!
posted by Irdial , 2:07 PM Þ 

IT is getting closer and closer!
posted by Irdial , 12:42 PM Þ 

Check out the headlines....
posted by Irdial , 12:38 PM Þ 

Dress Code violation!
posted by Irdial , 12:35 PM Þ 

Tony Danza is the man!!
posted by chriszanf , 12:34 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 12:18 PM Þ 

Alwright! If you do, make it in OGG - MP3s are banned here!

The Mission used to do 1969 as well. I never really liked The Mission apart from "Tower of Strength", which I don't think is amazing, just reasonable. There were some vaguely silly tracks inbetween the songs on the second EP as well.
posted by captain davros , 12:14 PM Þ 


Eek. Astral Disaster.
posted by Mess Noone , 11:51 AM Þ 

What was Irdial doing in 1981? I'll crack open an old tape, rip it and let you suffer it.
posted by Irdial , 11:48 AM Þ 

i'm such a wannabe geek

That, my friend, is bullshit. You are a dyed in the wool 100% "full on" geek, and l33t for that matter.
posted by Irdial , 11:47 AM Þ 

5 points to Mr Noone!
And, for a further point, the goth's doing a cover version?
posted by Alun , 11:40 AM Þ 

Praise be!

Still no news on what Irdial was doing in '81? I had one of my first bands then, called "Volts" - hard rock y'see. And my friend Matt and I were making loads of dead weird tapes with my Binatone cassette-radio.

Archaeologists of the future will have a field day raking over our town dumps harvesting our non biodegradable music storage formats.
posted by captain davros , 10:15 AM Þ 

C'est Les Stooges!
posted by Mess Noone , 9:46 AM Þ 

From The Sun article... "In the name of our 10 million readers..."
The Sun.
Proprietor, Mr R. Murdoch.

Nuff said

posted by Alun , 9:33 AM Þ 

Well its 1969 OK!
War across the USA!*

So I was 12 when Irdial was born.

*5 bonus points for spotting the lyric source without using google.
posted by Alun , 9:26 AM Þ 

The US and UK leaders have held a lengthy telephone conversation in an attempt to agree the wording of a new United Nations resolution on Iraq, the White House has revealed.

TB: It should be "Right. Ok, come on guys. You know, morally..."
GWB: Er, how do you spell 'ressalooshun'?
posted by Alun , 9:18 AM Þ 

i was doing digital arts BA. it sounds good on paper. theoretically i should have loved it, but i just found it really basic and boring and then i hardly went to college anymore and just got further and further behind. i didn't like the way the course was structured either...

anyway... netnewswire looks great. have you mozilla people checked out newsmonster?
posted by alex_tea , 8:38 AM Þ 

that looks like a great link, alex ...... only read a few paragraphs as i'm supposed to be on breakfast duty ; going away for a few days, catching up with some family ... no vdus ! ............... what are / were you studying ? ......... yes, the 'it doesn't disappear' point mirrors mine ...... i can only really learn properly by doing something concrete, as against stuffing my head with apparently unconnected information ..... so i'll probably take the mcsd later, but in c#, once i've cemented the system in my brain
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 8:35 AM Þ 

qualifications for qualifications sake have never been my first love

mine neither. i just quit college. or at least, made the concept concrete in my head. i haven't actually told anyone there yet though. silly me. well, i tried...

anyway, when i tell people they say things like "isn't that a waste?" (i'm in my final year of a three year course, although i have retakes of retakes to do, so it would be another year and a half). but why would it be a waste, it's not like the stuff i learned in the last two years has suddenly disappeared. anyway, i just lost complete interest in what uni had to offer me. now i have to sort my life out, staying up all night isn't the right way to go about it though...

i just don't think i'm really suited to accademia... although i wish i was. the thing is, i'm such a wannabe geek, but i'll never be a proper geek. anyway, i can have fun trying.

talking of geeks, this is interesting. actually that whole site is quite interesting.
posted by alex_tea , 7:56 AM Þ 

can't sleep, stupid thoughts racing round ....... i'm supposed to be studying for an mcsd exam in visual c++ at every spare moment ... this is not fun, especially when the working day is filled with other programming problem-solving ... uhm ....... what am i doing ? why would sitting in front of the computer at 4.00am help me sleep ? ... i thought that my thoughts were so coherent lying frustrated in bed, but now they spill like mush in a big blobby nonsensical ........ er ............ you see ?

so anyway ........ the only reason i'm trying to convince myself to keep on with the revision is because i've spent a lot of money & time in retraining to be a programmer, and i'm half thinking that to not get the certificate would be silly, but ... the true aim was to get employment, which i've succeeded in doing ..... qualifications for qualifications sake have never been my first love ..... and now, with a lot of c# work looming, the prospect of filling my head with knowledge that i'm in all probability not going to have much call for ( mfc, activex, com etc etc, ), during hours that i would much prefer to spend anywhere than in front of the screen, does not fill me with enthusiasm

c#, on the other hand, does ...... i know, i know, java lalalala ....... i really did have some eloquent stuff to scrawl, but it seems to have evaporated, thoughts about streams being subsumed by rivers being subsumed by oceans, all manner of shitty platitudes that, at this hour, with battery life getting low, make me think that retreat to duvet land would be the ..... uh ........... mmm .................. goodnight .....
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 4:47 AM Þ 

Ce n'est pas un pipe.

read the article that goes with it, very disturbing, jingoistic and completely missing the point.
posted by alex_tea , 4:36 AM Þ 

[13:51:02] I think you mean someone
[13:51:05] else
[13:51:39] blogdial?
posted by Barrie , 2:56 AM Þ 

interesting link, alex! Nice to see the first few CNET years on there too...
That there is the blueprint for every news and entertainment site that followed... "the" webdesign idea. They brought navigation around the top and right sides in 1998.
posted by Barrie , 1:19 AM Þ 

i was just looking at and I thought I'd see what Google looked like back in the day.

Check it out:
posted by alex_tea , 12:55 AM Þ 

1981? Holy shit. I was born in 83. blahh!

Have I mentioned NetNewsWire yet? I think I have, but I don't know. It seems like something people here should be excited about! MovableType should have an RSS feed going, no?
posted by Barrie , 12:05 AM Þ 
Wednesday, February 19, 2003

1981? Shiet, I was born in 1981.

In other news, I'm going to ask for a non-pork meal next time I go on a plane.
posted by Mikkel , 9:14 PM Þ 

E-Mail Floods France's UN Office After Iraq Plea

Tue February 18, 2003 04:38 PM ET
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - France's U.N. Mission was flooded with electronic fan mail after Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin urged the Security Council to "give peace a chance" in Iraq, French officials said Tuesday.

Some 5,000 e-mails -- overwhelmingly favorable and the vast majority from Americans -- were logged Friday, the day de Villepin delivered a speech stressing that use of force was not justified at this time against Baghdad, the officials said.

Another 12,000 messages were received over the weekend, the officials said.

While President Bush has warned that time was running out for Baghdad to dispose of any weapons of mass destruction, de Villepin drew a rare burst of applause from the Security Council gallery when he said U.N. inspections were showing results and force was not yet justified.

"What is at stake here is war and peace and our common responsibility," de Villepin said. "We are willing to try to give peace a chance."

The responses included:

-- "I have watched France's foreign minister's speech yesterday at the U.N. Security Council and was very proud of France's position which was based on principles," wrote a man from Irvine, California.

-- "Merci merci merci. Thank you thank you. Remain firm. Continue to oppose the Bush administration. PLEASE!" a Los Angeles woman wrote. The letters were shown to Reuters on condition their authors would not be identified.

-- "THANK YOU for your courage and conscience in opposing the war criminals of Washington. Your hard work will make all of us safer in the long run. Hold fast just a little longer," wrote a man from Elora, Tennessee.

-- "Please stand strong and do not allow the United Nations to be used as a puppet for my so-called government," wrote a Chicago, Illinois, man.
posted by Irdial , 8:09 PM Þ 

What was Irdial doing in 1981? I was 10.
posted by captain davros , 7:38 PM Þ 
posted by captain davros , 7:36 PM Þ 

Anti war demonstration at the South Pole, McMurdo Station
posted by Irdial , 6:22 PM Þ 

Was that aired on Fox?

You bet. "FoxNews" is becoming an adjective (prejorative) [actually, its also being used as a verb: to be "foxnewsed"; turned into a lie] quilaifier for bad journalism. The O'Reilly Facor, Fox & Friends are crucial viewing; its the single most powerful source of information for Americans at the moment. When you watch it, your hair stands on end, especially with "The Factor" because you do not know WHAT that man is going to come out with next.
posted by Irdial , 6:11 PM Þ 

>> just saw this:

yes! there was something in the Guardian also...incredible, its like a bad dream.

>> does it not remind you of the bully at school?
>> he might take everyone's
>> sweets, but eventually he ends with nothing.

but in this case, "nothing" means death; ceasing to exist.

>> you know i think we should let bush continue
>> with his strategies - hopefully
>> it will come full circle and he'll realise that he's causing so much grief
>> around the world he'll launch pre-emptive strikes
>>against himself.

Actually, I love America very dearly, and it hurts me to see it changing and being torn apart so.

> don't get wrong I didn't mean USA itself - just
> these wazacks who pretend to

I know...its just me being emotional...America is such an excellent place, its people awesome, just and decent; It hurts me to see them mislead and hurt for no good reason!
posted by Irdial , 6:07 PM Þ 

Wow, I finally got around to watching the Jeremy Glick interview with O'Reilly (thanks to it being reposted in the Irdial-List email). Jeremy was a grad student at Rutgers while I was an undergrad, and I never knew that he had a connection to the Jeremy Glick aboard the hijacked aiplane (I did some internet research about the name similarity immediately after the 11th but came up flat). He was always an outspoken person around campus, giving insightful interviews to publications, holding heated conversations outside of class, and conducting quite an informed postion as a lecturer in English classes. The interview with O'Reilly was on point, and it was terrific to see Jeremy hold his cool among the bullshit rhetoric pouring out of O'Reilly's hole. Was that aired on Fox?
posted by Josh Carr , 5:43 PM Þ 

Strange you should mention that word, as just last night my flat mates and I were discussing runcible spoons. Goes further to explain the synchronicity of my online life with real life.

The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear
The Straight Dope
The Runcible Spoon
The Runcible Spoon Society
posted by alex_tea , 5:22 PM Þ 

XML is, along with Blogdial, the best. It's utterly runcible.
posted by captain davros , 5:05 PM Þ 

because it's HTML 4.0 Transitional, as in half way between HTML 4 and XHTML 1. Not quite as strict as XHTML, but getting there...

posted by alex_tea , 4:05 PM Þ 

just installed the .net platform at work to start work building some c# goodies .... delivery of weighty books imminent .... creation of curdled dreams nigh ...
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 3:42 PM Þ 

I thought that it was XHTML, but its not declared in the doctype....I wonder why?
posted by Irdial , 3:41 PM Þ 

i am only a few months older than irdial~discs.
posted by alex_tea , 3:25 PM Þ 

Just spotted on BBC News XML feed - British Citizens urged to leave Iraq. More soon.

posted by alex_tea , 3:18 PM Þ 

double post. sorry...
posted by alex_tea , 3:16 PM Þ 

That's XHTML, the next gen of HTML. It's a lot more strict, follows XML standards, but is also eXtensible, so allows for future growth.

W3C XHTML pages

Something I guess I should be learning really...

the <whatever /> tags are used when there's no trailing </whatever> tags... so things like BR, HR, META, etc.

it doesn't validate though...
posted by alex_tea , 3:16 PM Þ 

BBC News has had a re-design.

Look at the source of one of the new pages; what are all the trailing / for in some of the html?

posted by Irdial , 1:57 PM Þ 

Someone posted on Bob Hund the other day. I like Bob Hund a lot.
My fave song is...
Stora tankar i lilla berg- och dalbanan
jag vet inte om jag grter eller skrattar
men som vanligt r det hrd konkurrens
jag vet inte om jag sover eller drmmer
men som vanligt ger jag bda en chans
I like the title too, which in literal translation is ... " Big thoughts on the little mountain and valley railway" (rollercoaster)
posted by Alun , 12:54 PM Þ 

Near death expirence and do you see angels?

I fainted for real this weekend - blacked out in a hole minute, ringing in my ears while I watched golden starts in black globe - very nice in a special way, gave me a certain longing for death and the same time so much more respect for my life.
posted by Alison , 11:00 AM Þ 

When I was in Zurich over New Year earlier in January I posted the nail clippers I had bought for my collection for that very reason. It was interesting to see the way a Zurich post office works too.

Obviously a bit harder to send a frying pan back.
posted by captain davros , 10:24 AM Þ 

Re: moronic airport security.
I was flying back to London from Malmo, hand-luggage only. Had bought a Hackman Tools frying pan and was carrying it back and was prevented from boarding because "The pilot and staff don't want things like this on the plane. It could be a weapon."


Just like nail clippers are now deadly implements of the heathen trrrrrrrrrrst masses.
posted by Alun , 10:07 AM Þ 

This is last weeks. This weeks issue is a withering attack on Blair. And Steve Bell hits the mark again.
posted by Alun , 9:20 AM Þ 

MPs e-mail filtered.
Apart from obvious ramifications (the system has prevented e-mails debating sex laws, for instance) Radio 5 reported no e-mail getting through to the MP for Scunthorpe.
posted by Alun , 9:17 AM Þ 

Unbelievable! US to punish German 'treachery'
That literally makes me ill to my stomach. This is only proof of what will happen to Canada when we continue to refuse help to the US in favour of concentrating on things that matter - our own country. The US will jack up things like softwood lumber tariffs by like, 50% or more.
This is how children fight. Not supporting war is "contempt?" For what? Contempt for rich fuckers? How can wanting peace be contemptuous of anything? "Oh, so you don't wanna fight? Well, I'll just take my half of the deal and run away crying!" "Treachery and Ineptitude." Inept? What is the Chancellor inept at? Thinking like a retard? If that's the case, that's a GOOD thing he's inept. Rumsfeld sounds like some old hick who wants his tractor back.
What would happen if the US just ignores the UN and just forces their way into Iraq? What then? What would the world do?

I get very flustered over this stuff and can rarely talk about it without looking like a fool. Thankfully the other gents and ladies at Blogdial are more intelligent with words than I am.

akin: I still don't get why you are concerned with pointless bad music releases. I don't see a reason to care about them... sure, someone might be listening to music that you think is bad but... whatever. Their loss, no sweat off our backs. There will ALWAYS be good music and innovative music, and it will never be crushed by the bigger waves of crappy music. Never has been, never will be especially not now. Best use the effort worrying about bad music to a better, non-negative end. (this kind of statement, coming from me, Mr. Cynical Uppity Bastard, is rather rare).
BUT: Movable Type = WIN!

posted by Barrie , 7:22 AM Þ 

Your score:44 ......You are an average on-line user. You may surf the Web a bit too long at times, but you have control over your usage.
posted by chriszanf , 4:51 AM Þ 

"Congestion Charge" shirt (not shown). There are too many fools following too many rules, and too many fools releasing records. We have created a Congestion Charge t-shirt, to restrict the release of pointless vinyl and CD. In this way, there will be more space for the /important/ releases, that are currently stuck in the traffic jam of dozens of useless releases. Someone had to do it. You know it makes sense. If its not hurting its not working.
posted by Irdial , 3:45 AM Þ 
posted by chriszanf , 1:01 AM Þ 
Tuesday, February 18, 2003

I just love the passion in Bollywood

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RESULT: You are an average on-line user. You may surf the Web a bit too long at times, but you have control over your usage.
posted by Alison , 8:55 PM Þ 

The most interesting aspect of Google buying Blogger is the one of censorship.

Google censors its Adwords; does this mean that it is going to h00k any blog that posts content that google thinks is evil? Surely they cant have one rule for adwords and another for "Blooggler"...Lets hope that they dont opt for cutting off the blogs that they dont like, because a 100% reliable Blogger which runs at the speed of Google would be a very wonderful thing indeed, not to mention the complete integration with the other aspects of Google.

I respect and deeply admire Google as much as the next geek, but the instant that I hear that Google is going to police Blogger, I am moving every blog that i run over to Movable Type.

My love of Google is great, but I love Freedom of Speech more than I love Google.
posted by Irdial , 8:27 PM Þ 

Unbelievable! US to punish German 'treachery'

America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros.

The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schrder's 'treachery'. [...]
posted by Irdial , 7:46 PM Þ 

More Kuro5hin Linkage.
posted by Irdial , 7:35 PM Þ 

What I am sure people find to be utterly insulting is the dimunition of the numbers of marchers. The fat pig alan boulton of sky, a sneering swine of a "man" takes every opportunity to ridicule and belittle the protests. TB used the descriptor "Thousands" to quantify the number of marchers. That is simply a lie, and frankly, these rent-an-iraqi psi-ops troups that he is parading around the TV stations are utterly irrelevant, unconvincing and untrustworthy.

We have seen this sort of thing before: remember Nayirah, the " a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl" who shocked Congress with her testimony in October 1990, when she told of invading Iraqi soldiers throwing babies from incubators onto the cold hospital floor to die? Her testimony was a lie. She was part of an $11.5 million public relations campaign by the Hill and Knowlton, a well-known public relations company, to build backing for a war. The money came from the Kuwaiti government, laundered through Citizens for a Free Kuwait. The public relations campaign included lots of phony evidence. ... 'Nayirah,' it was revealed more than a year later, 'was not a simple hospital worker, but the daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the U.S.' And that's why our hand-wringing ilk question everything." (SOURCE: Wisconsin State Journal, February 6, 2003)

These people who are being trotted about are no doubt, also PR created fakes. Even if they ARE real, no country should go to war with Iraq at the behest of some of Iraqi refugees. We didnt go to war over South Africa, or any of the other countries suffering under a "dictatorship" and this situation is no different.

What is so awesome is the rapid spread of information; the edited transcripts, the lies, the serial hypocricy; it is now impossible for these people to lie and get away with it, thanks to the vigilance of people on the net. News of the altered/propagandized transcript came to me from two different sources. Excellent work spotting it, and also excellent common sense in posting it.
posted by Irdial , 7:17 PM Þ 

This is mainly for Mikkel or anyone else who wants to join for whatever reason:
The VectorX server has moved to IRC, with xdcc file transfers (nifty!). #vx. Discussion ranges from no one there, linux and web programming, art and music, politics and law, to stupid immature jokes. It's currently open to the public, will be closed off to known IPs later because I have a crappy connection.
posted by Barrie , 5:33 PM Þ 
posted by alex_tea , 5:10 PM Þ 
posted by chriszanf , 4:28 PM Þ 

I'm hardly surprised anymore. CNN has edited Hans Blix' report. (update: and edited it back. Scared of bad press, I presume).

CNN's transcript.
BBC's transcript .'s article.
Kuro5hin's article.

Check out this bit:
BBC: Not least against this background, a letter of 12 February from Iraq's National Monitoring Directorate may be of relevance.
CNN: Not least against this background, a letter of the 12th of February from Iraq's National and Monitoring Directorate may be irrelevant.

It's full of it. So much for unbiased reporting. No wonder the Americans still sort of support their bloodthirsty president.
posted by Mikkel , 3:52 PM Þ 

Blair silent on Iraq democracy
He called on what he dismissed as "thousands" of anti-war protesters to listen to the testimony of Iraqi exiles about the horror of President Saddam's regime, and their wish for him to be removed from power.


He said he accepted that the marchers were "sincerely motivated and convinced" in their opposition to the use of military force, but called on them to accept that it was possible to be equally sincere and convinced that it might be needed.


The group, based in Manchester, said in their letter: "We are praying that you will stick to your resolve to liberate our country from a dictatorial tyranny which over the past 30 years has caused the deaths of nearly two million men, women, sons and daughters

Liberty != War
posted by alex_tea , 3:39 PM Þ 

ok, that had me scared for a bit then CES, and then i realised it all to do with ...

posted by alex_tea , 3:22 PM Þ 

Trapped and commodified, hermetically sealed... rendered harmless?

posted by Irdial , 3:11 PM Þ 
posted by Claus Eggers , 3:02 PM Þ 
posted by alex_tea , 2:35 PM Þ 

Directly from snopes:

"Claim: Imitation see-through skirts are the latest fashion fad in Japan.
Status: Undetermined. "

We're skeptical that such items of apparel exist and are "the current rage in Japan" for a couple of reasons:

* We have yet to find a Japanese source (or any source other than the message quoted above) containing information about -- or even mention of -- these supposed "see-through" skirts.

* In all the example photographs provided above, the images of the panties line up perfectly with the actual positioning of the skirt-wearers' derrieres and legs, indicating at the very least that these pictures were very carefully posed.

Lacking any evidence to the contrary, we'd guess that these pictures have been manipulated, taken from some other source and used out of context, or deliberately concocted to lend credence to a fabricated story.

Last updated: 15 February 2003
posted by Irdial , 1:55 PM Þ 

according to snopes the panty thing is untrue:

couldn't find anything else about it either...
this site mentions nothing about see through skirts, although it does say about skousers, that terribly trustafarian fashion of wearing a skirt and trousers. how post feminist can you get?
posted by alex_tea , 1:37 PM Þ 

Will Blogdial return to freakypeople? My bookmarks don't know where to point these days!
posted by captain davros , 11:16 AM Þ 

"What you see in the attached pix are not see-thru skirts. They are actually prints on the skirts to make it look as if the panties are visible and the current rage in Japan. Huh ???"
posted by Irdial , 11:08 AM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 1:16 AM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 12:53 AM Þ 

Central London webcams go dark for anti-war demo

Conspiracy theories, anyone? Yesterday at least a million people took to London's streets to mount the UK's biggest ever anti-war protest. And yesterday, webcams along the marchers' route were down "for operational reasons."

Operational reasons, old lags will recall, is British policespeak for 'I'm not going to tell you,' while one milion is policespeak for two million. But before we leap to the conclusion that the authorities specifically had the plugs pulled we should note a strange coincidence; tomorrow, London's congestion charge will come into force, phalanxes of traffic cameras will be fired in anger for the first time*, the route of the march lay within the central charging zone, so the webcams really could have been down for engineering.

Transport for London, which operates the congestion charging scheme, has a large network of traffic cameras, which can be seen via BBC Radio London's 'jamcam' page, here. Yesterday and today the site was reporting that TfL was carrying out maintenance, but earlier today the central London cameras all seemed to be working again. You can tell this because they show you pictures of cars not moving. At time of writing, however, many were out again for "operational reasons."[...]

The Register
posted by Irdial , 12:12 AM Þ 
posted by alex_tea , 12:05 AM Þ 

someone always gets there first.

posted by alex_tea , 12:02 AM Þ 
Monday, February 17, 2003

posted by Irdial , 11:10 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 9:40 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 9:33 PM Þ 

but I tried RH on it the other day and it wanted 900Mb HD space.
On Saturday I installed a base, minimal redhat that took about 440 megs. I'm adding RPM's as I go along, as I need them, so I don't have a whole bunch of wasted space on the drive.

Blair says the war will be quick and painless. Who else said that, almost 90 years ago? Bad, bad, bad.
posted by Barrie , 6:51 PM Þ 

Don't know how many of you (us?) are aware of this ... pretty curious!

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- Ken
posted by Ken , 6:08 PM Þ 

No matter whose estimate of the numbers you choose to believe (750,000, 1.5million, two million - any advance on two million?), Saturday's London march against a war on Iraq was big. In an age of political passivity, why were so many moved to march on this issue?

It seems unlikely to be solely out of concern for the Iraqi people. For more than a decade, the United Nations Security Council has imposed punitive sanctions on Iraq that have caused considerable suffering. Meanwhile, the US and British air forces have continued to bomb Iraqi targets on an almost weekly basis. None of this has excited much protest in Britain or elsewhere in the West.

Nor have many of those who marched on Saturday been opposed to foreign wars in the recent past. Far smaller numbers made a stand against the first war against Iraq in 1990-91. There were no significant demonstrations against NATO's war against the Serbs over Kosovo in 1999.

Indeed, the majority of those protesting against war are still not opposed to the principle of Western intervention in Iraq, or to the future of Iraq being decided in Western capitals. The Franco-German plan for a 'peaceful' military occupation and carve-up of Iraq, over the heads of the Iraqi people, is widely welcomed as an alternative to war.

No doubt many of Saturday's marchers will claim their own particular reasons for protesting this time. But there is always an overall political impetus behind such mass outbursts. It seems clear that this impetus comes, not from events in Iraq, but from the domestic political-cultural climate in Britain and the West.

The two biggest factors motivating Saturday's marchers were the growing atmosphere of mistrust towards government institutions, and the pervasive culture of fear and risk aversion...............

...........The numbers mobilised against war were certainly impressive. But the underlying factors which prompted many of them to march look more like symptoms of weakness than of strength. What brought so many together above all was a shared sense of anxiety and powerlessness. That is not a healthy basis on which to try to prevent war, far less build a new movement which, as some commentators now claim, will 'change the face of politics'.

posted by chriszanf , 6:03 PM Þ 

Thanks for that.

We only have a 500Mb HD on the machine and the mandrake install seems to be comfortable with that but I tried RH on it the other day and it wanted 900Mb HD space. (this was even after I'd unselected loads of unnecessary packages)

I'm about to re-install RH on my machine after grabbing the AGNULA audio packages.
posted by chriszanf , 5:36 PM Þ 

Any ideas?

This sounds like X is misconfigured. You could try to manually tweak your xfree86.config but thats a pain in the ass.

Since you havnt got it set up, you should try another distro, like Red Hat. Its not as "friendly" as Mandrake, but I have found the installer is much more solid.

Whatever you do, during the install, try and set X to run in the most basic mode possible, least amount of colors and lowest resolution. That might solve the problem.
posted by Irdial , 5:16 PM Þ 

"sometimes i don't know who's worse, us or them. you don't see them fucking each other over for a percentage"

Charging interest is forbidden in sharia law. Thats why you dont see that. :]
posted by Irdial , 5:09 PM Þ 

second installment. bush doesn't look as menacing as old tony, but there you go.

may do a saddam one as well. he's just as bad as the others. if not worse.

"sometimes i don't know who's worse, us or them. you don't see them fucking each other over for a percentage"
posted by alex_tea , 4:55 PM Þ 

I was going to ask a similar question about an old P90 box I have here.

I was thinking of using it as a websever / router running some form of linux. Is it too old for such a thing?
posted by alex_tea , 4:51 PM Þ 

wondered if I could ask your advice.......

My flatmate is trying to install Mandrake 9 on a Dell optiplex P200MMX and it gets all the way into installation but seems to encounter errors with DRAKX and then when rebooted reports back about respawning rate is too high. (It also seems to select the right video card but wrong model on install)

He's tried the mandrake forum but the only reply he got said he was trying to get too much from such an old machine. (We've been running Win98 on it for over a year and using it as a router/gatewayand it had no probs with that).

Any ideas?
posted by chriszanf , 4:15 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 3:42 PM Þ 

[...]With his back against the wall, belatedly aware of the depth of his difficulty, and surrounded by the empty shell casings of a defeated polemic, Blair played his last card in Glasgow at the weekend. Action was a moral imperative, he declared. If Saddam remains in power, he warned emotively, there will be "consequences paid in blood". The moral case for intervention was overwhelming. Those who opposed it, he implied, were themselves acting immorally.

In many respects, this is an outrageous statement. It reeks of condescension. In his wisdom, it seems, the prime minister is suggesting that millions of weekend marchers and all those in the European, Arab and Muslim spheres who disagree have failed to think through the ethical ramifications of their stand. But since Blair can be sure to repeat his moral message in the two or three weeks that remain before Bush is expected to press the button, it must be answered.

How moral is it, to take one aspect, to wreck an inspections process unanimously agreed by the UN? Blair and Jack Straw endlessly stress the exact terms of resolution 1441. But this document sets no time limit on inspections. It makes no mention of the regime change that Blair now advocates. Nor does 1441's text authorise the conquest, indefinite occupation and forcible remaking of Iraq under US military auspices.

Exactly how moral is it, as is now the US-British plan in the next fortnight, to gerrymander UN backing for war by buying votes with US financial largesse? Blair's new concept of the "unreasonable veto" and the quaint idea of claiming a "moral mandate" from a simple majority UN vote has no base in international law. Nor, for that matter, does the concept of an offensive war, as opposed to collective, defensive action. The US and Britain have no moral right to try to reinterpret and thus subvert the UN charter in this way.

The onus is surely on Blair, not his opponents, to explain the morality of rejecting Blix's provisional conclusion that his inspections are beginning to work. It is not "moral" to turn to the "last resort" of violence when Iraq has conceded many of the UN's demands and when South Africa, for example, is offering its good offices and experience in assuring nuclear disarmament.

The onus is surely also on Blair to show the Vatican and, say, Britain's Anglican and Muslim leaders, why and on what grounds his moral authority exceeds theirs. [...]

The Guardian
posted by Irdial , 3:24 PM Þ 

I just heard on Fox news
img link... too big to post

The Mouths of Murdoch
posted by Alun , 2:44 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 1:47 PM Þ 

I just heard on Fox news that the military deployment in preparation to attack iraq is costing One Trillion Dollars a month.

That cant be right, they must have meant Billion!
posted by Irdial , 1:00 PM Þ 

Holy shit:

Microsoft Corporation
Carolyn Gudmundson
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
Phone: 425-882-8080
Fax..: 425-936-7329

Registrar Name....:
Registrar Whois...:
Registrar Homepage:


Created on..............: Sat, Jan 19, 2002
Expires on..............: Wed, Jan 19, 2005
Record last updated on..: Thu, Dec 05, 2002
posted by Irdial , 12:04 PM Þ 

Does anyone know what is about??
posted by Irdial , 11:58 AM Þ 

Listened yesterday to an old Jimi Tenor LP 'Out of Nowhere'
"I knew you'd be my baby, when I saw the mole on your thigh"
Like being in a particularly happy Prince dream.
If Prince were a Space Finn.
posted by Alun , 11:28 AM Þ 

Akin, after last week, all I have to say in response to your post [2/17/2003 1:45:38 AM | Irdial Discs] is, I agree.

My fave posters... An old woman who had sewn card to her coat back saying 'I am ashamed of my country'. Very moving.
And someone carrying 'BUSH - DON'T ATTACKIFY IRAQ'.

There was also a massive eagle, blood on beak, world in claws (bleeding oil), massive american flags as wings with the uk flag hanging from its arse.

And yes, even in my Kenny coat, it was freezing.
posted by Alun , 11:23 AM Þ 

Tony Blair refused to blink last night in the face of the biggest anti-war demonstrations ever held in Britain and worldwide.

Ministers and officials insisted the protests - which saw more than 1 million people march in London on Saturday - would not delay military preparations for war next month.

One well-placed source said: "It changes nothing at all. The quicker it is done, the better. To back down now would be the worst result possible. We would have no credibility if Saddam Hussein was still in place."

My emphasis.

From The Guardian.
posted by Irdial , 11:18 AM Þ 

apparently the march in Edmonton had about 12000 people participating. I didn't go, I was reinstalling linux onto my server with my good friend. And now it works great! :p
posted by Barrie , 9:35 AM Þ 

yes, i know banksy. very nice stuff, although i fear he's spreading himself a bit too thin. gets a bit odd seeing his stuff all over the interior of a club full of besuited drunks. or maybe that's the point.

i think someone should set up guided tours of his stuff... from old street through brick lane down to london bridge, back across millenium bridge, etc...

have you noticed the rat army all around london (and possibly more cities)?

have you seen the book, existencilism?
posted by alex_tea , 5:50 AM Þ 

like the stencil alex. have you seen any of banksy's work?
posted by chriszanf , 5:41 AM Þ 

re: the cold.

as i was holding my camera all day i couldn't wear gloves, i think my hands were frozen grasping the camera....

posted by alex_tea , 5:36 AM Þ 

why are we all up so late?

hmm... anyway, i finished my first draft of my post march banner. why didn't i do this last week?

it's designed so it could be a stencil. i'm into stencils right now. i know they're ever so trendy, but it's fun to get away from the computer screen once in a while.

i'll do another one tomorrow with bush's face there. may say GOP OIL instead. do you think the red is a bit over the top?
posted by alex_tea , 4:50 AM Þ 

I got to Charing Cross/Strand at about 12.30 and was immediately struck by the diversity of people who were there. I've been on a few demos before and it's usually mainly students, SWP/militant with a few class war people. There were women there who usually are more concerned about handbags and shopping and men who are more comfortable in the pub watching the football on a saturday afternoon.

I would like to think that if Bush/Blair ignore them (and I have no doubt they will) these people will be pretty pissed and disillusioned by a system that constantly pats their heads and says that they will sort everything out for them and will respond accordingly.

True about the banners/slogans but the majority of people on the demo are politically inarticulate and so start out with 'nursery rhyme' level stuff.

I had to go for a coffee at about 3pm as the wind had teeth and was biting into my skinny flesh too much. In Allders, they had a TV on so I stood and watched Sky news for about 15 mins. They were doing the usual aeriel shots and trying to guess the numbers in a kind of state of shock. They interviewed a few people (emphasising on that many attending never having demonstrated before). They asked one woman what happens next if Bush/Blair don't listen to people today. "simple", she replied, "civil disobedience".

I think that alone made my day.
posted by chriszanf , 4:29 AM Þ 

I am thinking of Banners/Slogans post march. Very lame I know. But very me, and anyway, I sense that this is the beginning, not the end.

Anyway. I like this.

posted by alex_tea , 3:46 AM Þ 

The march was astounding. I didn't make it to the rally at Hyde Park (starting rather late, around 2pm and joining the march at Aldgate - we got to Hyde Park Corner at about 5, but we had a party to go to and we hadn't eaten all day).

Anyway, I'm so glad it all went so well. Everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves and we saw some really creative and clever banners. I only saw one bit of agro, two old (well 50somethings I reckon) men arguing about communism. Which was rather amusing really... I took a lot of video on my new DV camera, filled up one and half hour tapes... It's kind of boring to watch, the backs of people's heads mostly, but it's a document I'll keep for a long time. I may even edit it down and make something out of it.

My girlfriend also took a few (hundred) pictures on her digital camera. Here's a rather nice one for now, I'll post more with her agreement.

I'm glad you went and I'm glad you enjoyed it Akin. I'm also really pleased at the turnout. And if this doesn't do something, then we all have more reason to complain and actually change something!
posted by alex_tea , 2:37 AM Þ 
posted by alex_tea , 2:00 AM Þ 

The march was astounding. The speeches were also superb, except Mr. Jackson, who, with his mindless feel-good doubletalk just made me sick. The atmosphere was very powerful and optimistic, and as the reports of the numbers went up and up, a swell of an almost palpable relief/excitement was in the air, because "surely it would be impossible for such a gathering to be ignored", something would have to happen to address such a show of displeasure.

What was interesting, infuriating and really not very surprising was the way that the speeches were misreported. There was, for sure, a concerted effort to dampen down the information that came from that stage. Every news channel failed to correctly and fully report the speeches. Ken Livingstons congestion charge heckler interruption was repeated again and again, and Jacksons empty repetitive rhetoric was overly highlighted.

The first president of Algeria's speech (in French) included a cry of "Vive la France" in response and recognition of the noble opposition that France is putting up.

The trade unions speeches were genuine and well said, none of these were transmitted in the news reports the night of the march and the next day. As was to be expected, Fox news behaved as if nothing at all had happened on the day; an extraordinarily poor reaction. CNN repeated sound bites from more speakers, but they were the shortest of excerpts.

ITN, BBC, and all the UK channels repeated both Blairs speech in response to the march and then Gordon Brown's totally insincere speech, ad nauseum. It felt like the news channels were repeating these speeches to counteract the energy of the mach. Euro News was more balanced.

What was also superb was the general understanding and plain speaking about the Israel/Palestinian problem. No one held back in roundly condemning Israel, and the hypocrisy of the UN and its uneven enforcement of its resolutions. The exception was once again Jackson, who made sure that he offended no one. Only CNN showed a small amount of this aspect; the BBC came out with the incredible line of "This march was very political" well duh!!!

The best speech of all was from the organizer of the march and rally, who declared that on the day that war starts, a general strike will be called. If I remember correctly the union of communications workers representative wants to go back to its members to vote for a strike if war starts.

The placards and punters were awesome; "Bush is another word for Cunt" was my favourite, a man with a Mohican held a pretzel aloft to my left. Children were everywhere, the old the young; every kind of person, from everywhere. This was pure untapped power in the form of human rivers.

The last march that I went on was the big anti apartheid march years ago. This one felt completely focused, coherent, and energized. Apartheid was utterly destroyed by years of sanctions and boycotts. The promised bloodbath of revenge that was predicted thankfully never materialized, and whilst SA today has its serious problems, they can now build on an intact infrastructure in peace.

It is clear that economic punishment is the way to convince people to "live right". It is clear that the only way to stop the war machine is to choke off the supply of money that keeps it fed. Tony Benn said that the people in the arms trade should be made to account for what they are doing, that the trade should be outlawed. This may or may not happen, but what is for sure, the thinking behind these words strikes directly at the problem.

As exhilarating and reaffirming as this march was, unless there is some kind of subsequent direct action on a long term basis, this war, if it happens, will not be the last one. And that is a Bad Thing®

Tony Benn said that this was the beginning of something big, and for all of us to keep up the momentum. He is right about many things; lets hope that this is the case. What is for sure, you will not hear about this on the TV. You will have to read your email, keep in contact with your friends and be ready to act when the call is given.

And DAMN it was cold; my feet turned into stiff blocks.

What were your impressions?!
posted by Irdial , 1:45 AM Þ 
Sunday, February 16, 2003

we're back and the site is up, sorry about that!!

posted by mary13 , 8:49 PM Þ 

"Despite that, I was vaguely tempted to check out the big anti-war march yesterday in Lansing, if for no other purpose than to see how many people had to resort to carrying pasteboards slathered with tired rhetoric like "NO BLOOD FOR OIL." It's a shame the whole thing was part of a larger campaign and not spontaneous local activism; knowing that a million people across the world are stomping about in sub-zero temperatures for hours and having no impact whatsoever on the course of world events serves as a fine lesson about the futile nature of activism. While I'm disappointed that in staying home I didn't earn a shiny new black mark in my FBI dossier, I did get to watch the amusing Trekkies and eat delicious home-cooked Mexican food."
-J. Parish, ToastyFrog
posted by Barrie , 9:36 AM Þ 

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