Saturday, May 01, 2004

Steve Davis is pretty correct about food, thing is if he's getting his milk from a supermarket (including M & S), or any large dairy firm then the milk will have been homogenised and the fats will have gone through the nasty process he talks about - including full fat milk.
posted by meau meau , 11:31 AM Þ 
Friday, April 30, 2004

posted by Ken , 10:26 PM Þ 

A similarly interesting interview from The Observer a few weeks back where he talks about Magma!
posted by alex_tea , 7:53 PM Þ 


What was the last record or CD you bought?
Ooh, I bought a soul 45 off the internet, I can't remember what that was called and it hasn't turned up yet. And I re-bought a load of Caravan albums on CD. They're as good as ever, and they were worth buying just for For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night.

You're not wrong.
You've never heard it, have you?

Erm, no.
Well you ought to. Go and buy it, it's a f-ing brilliant record. An absolute monster.
posted by Alun , 5:47 PM Þ 

Pissing myself. Phone interview with Steve Davis, ex-world snooker champion.

Right, on to the big issues. What's your favourite biscuit?
[The line goes silent for several seconds, though a faint tapping sound can be heard]

You're struggling on the biscuit question...
I am, yeah... I'm going to have to come back to you on this one. It's just too early, I've just had breakfast and it's the last thing I fancy at the moment...

OK, we can come back to i...
I used to like Garibaldis, but I've not had one for years. Actually, I'd have one of those now if you've got any.

Alas not, Steve. Sorry.
I think biscuits have gone down hill generally though. They've got far more poisons in them than they used to have.

Like what, arsenic?
No, no, but the stuff they put in them can't be good for you. I think a lot of them have far too long a shelf life for my liking. I like a fresh biscuit with all natural ingredients in but I'm not sure you get them any more. If you can, I'm not sure where you'd get them from... [tails off, sounding genuinely troubled].

Who or what would you put into Room 101?
Erm, [tap, tap] polystyrene cups for drinking tea out of.

Any reason?
Well I'm sure you end up drinking a certain amount of polystyrene every time you have a cup, and that can't be good for you either, can it?
posted by Alun , 5:39 PM Þ 
posted by Ken , 5:30 PM Þ 
posted by Alun , 4:09 PM Þ 
posted by Josh Carr , 3:31 PM Þ 

RFID hardwired building

It'll be airports next, I assure you.
posted by meau meau , 1:32 PM Þ 

Is it just me or does this seem confused?


works on mac firefox too
posted by meau meau , 1:15 PM Þ 

posted by captain davros , 1:03 PM Þ 

I am getting divorced from my younger sister... After 10 years of abuse from her, I am out of the relationship... Can one get papers on the divorce with family?
posted by Alison , 12:44 PM Þ 

works in safari
mmm ... maybe it's just firefox

ta ... it was never played, unfortunately ... the organisers of the event gave me a completion date later than the recital date, so it was submitted too late ... would have been fun
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 12:16 PM Þ 

the plugin seems to work only in ie6

It works in safari too. Nice piece.
posted by meau meau , 10:51 AM Þ 

says he went to cafe this morning, looked shifty

random text message received from unidentified sender last night
posted by Alun , 8:29 AM Þ 
Thursday, April 29, 2004

WARGH. London has vanquished me. Stupid London. I'll get you next time!!
So, it looks like tonight is a biz-ust for me, which sucks. I'll be at the Tate Modern tomorrow at around 2-3 PM, to look at the big glowing ball at the very least (this work fascinates me as all big, glowing things do).
Gotta get up early pack, get to the Euston station and shove my stuff in a locker, go to the london eye (hopefully it doesn't SUCK), go to St Paul's (though I am not a christian man, all the best to view such beautiful excess), go to trafalgar (Nelson atop a big penis), go to Westminster, go to Tate, get my head checked. Phew!

Edit: Really wanted to do some stuff with some Londoners here, guess it'll have to wait until next time (which makes me sad). Also kind of pissed off on the short 3-day trip here... I mean shit. Why couldn't we (dad & I) left on Saturday? Oh well. Next time I come here (I plan on that!) I'll come without the father so I can see all the nasty places...
posted by Barrie , 9:06 PM Þ 

found this today, had forgotten all about it ... the plugin seems to work only in ie6 ... i used to have midi file of the piece, no longer have sibelius ... if anyone has a copy ( of the midi file - a copy used to reside on an old website ) i'd love to get hold of it ...
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 6:48 PM Þ 

US forces today announced an end to their siege of Falluja, saying they will pull out immediately to allow a newly-created, Iraqi security force to secure the city.

The new force, known as the Falluja Protective Army, will consist of up to 1,100 Iraqi soldiers led by a former general from the military of Saddam Hussein and will begin moving into the city tomorrow.

Lieutenant Colonel Brennan Byrne said the agreement was reached late last night between US officials and Falluja police and civilian representatives. "The plan is that the whole of Falluja will be under the control of the FPA," Lt Col Byrne told the Associated Press.

Under the new agreement, marines will pull back from their positions in and around Falluja, while the FPA forms a new cordon around it and then moves into the city. According to one report, marines in the city's southern industrial area have already begun packing up gear and loading heavy trucks today after receiving orders to withdraw.

Lt Col Byrne identified the commander of the FPA as General Salah, a former division commander under Saddam. The force will be made up of former Iraqi soldiers and police and be subordinate to the marine 1st Expeditionary Force. [....],2763,1206015,00.html

muhahahahahhahah! (que DR evil laugh!)
posted by Irdial , 5:52 PM Þ 

If I Was In London

I would most certainly be attending The Nearness Of Doings That Be Things. The Audience AlkaSeltzer in Water anecdote posted here not too long ago is enough to convince me of its sonic if not performic (and therefore monetary) worth. That and the Kill The King re-issue I recently picked up (and the resulting evening privy to views of an altered human future; decisions made for, by and about machines; sounds lulling, learing, pushing and following).

posted by Josh Carr , 4:20 PM Þ 

See, it all comes out now eh. I was watching an old videotape that a friend gave me the other day, marked "Music". Mostly "The Chart Show" and what video came on but "Flowers in our Hair"?!? Great song too.
posted by captain davros , 2:42 PM Þ 

how disappointing ... the vinyl edition of a favourite lp came through the post today, from amazon ... i removed the celophane wrapping, noting that some of the edges to the cover were a bit crumpled, took out record one, and ... finger marks all over it ! .... dust ! ... scratches ! ... looked closer at the cover, and it too showed very clear evidence of previous use .... a second-hand record ??? .... do amazon re-wrap their used offerings, does anyone know ? ... if so, an understandable mistake ... if not, an oddly episode ... it has of course gone straight back
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 2:21 PM Þ 

As a rebuke to myself for my rebuke of The Good Captain's weakness for piscine Scottish soft-rock, I admit, I once, nay twice, went, out of choice, to see All About Eve. It was 1988. I saw the singer (Julianne... ? maybe) on a bus in Holloway once.
posted by Alun , 2:19 PM Þ 

Fingerprints, ID cards, congestion charge, where are the egg thieves??? Some funny stuff about John Coltrane in there too.
posted by captain davros , 2:17 PM Þ 

posted by Alun , 2:17 PM Þ 

That photo of the Iraqi children is causing trouble.
posted by meau meau , 1:31 PM Þ 

when the glass belongs to a millionaire

Or a database operator with access to potentially 65 million records
posted by meau meau , 1:13 PM Þ 

In 2002, Tsutomu Matsumoto and his team at the University of Yokohama in Japan developed a much more sophisticated technique. He copied fingerprints left on drinking glasses and turned them into thin gelatine coatings that, when affixed to the fingertips, fooled 80% of fingerprint readers. Although it was effective, Clive Reedman, chairman of the International Association for Biometrics, says: "At the end of the day, why not just hit the old lady over the head at the cashpoint rather than go through all that?"

He is cornered rat of course.

Inetersting that he thinks violence is preferable to forgery. He might as well ask "why not just get greased up and swim the channel rather than take the trouble to forge a passport and board a ferry?". Utterly stupid, completely unconvincing.

"Going through all that", when the glass belongs to a millionaire, is....worth it. And of course, since everyone believes the biometric snake oil that the peddlers of this system are selling, it will be impossible to refute false transactions.
posted by Irdial , 12:10 PM Þ 

posted by Irdial , 11:41 AM Þ 

Evidence given to Home affairs committee on ID cards:

Simon Hoggarts view.
Just in case some members of the committee weren't quite clear what he was on about, he had provided a helpful summary. "The project is being taken forward within the Office for Government Commerce Gateway Review framework. The project passed through Gate 0 (strategic assessment) during the feasibility stage. The plans for the next development stage include Gate 1 (business justification) and Gate 2 (procurement strategy." So that's all clear.

QinetiQ's view;
Neil Fisher, QinetiQ's director of security solutions, who gave evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee today, outlined the potential benefits of an appropriate biometric identity authentication system - one that incorporates a unique physical signature such as facial recognition. He says:

"Encapsulating individuals' biometrics in one or more authentication devices will ensure that their identity cannot be stolen and that they can prove, swiftly and simply, that they are who they say they are. In today's digital age, this will give them secure access to a huge range of services. Additionally, if a portable data storage device like a barcode is used, it can link people irrefutably to their possessions - to their luggage at an airport, to their cars, and even to their baby in a maternity ward."

Eejit alert.

And if anyone has the time.... here's the minutes of the ID card industry Eejits evidence to the Home Affairs Committee.
Unfortunately, if they're familiar with Irdial's idea for NO CENTRAL BIOMETRIC DATABSE, they're keeping schtum. Wonder why?

Dav, GroupHug now has a members forum where you can discuss your Rillion problem with other sufferers.
posted by Alun , 11:37 AM Þ 

not as fascinating as the sounds though, go on you know you want to...


hasn't re:tg been postponed for a year while they pump out more merchandising and retrospectives etc?
posted by meau meau , 11:31 AM Þ 

The grey arrow trick worked. Thanx.

You know it has only just struck me that Barrie Sutcliffe is actually in the UK! Amazing.

Even more amazing, Marillion are back.
"History will see [the music industry] as a funny little anomaly that happened between 1950 and 2010". Of course anyone clicking on that link will probably guess that I am a fan of Marillion but if you read on it's quite interesting how they managed it. And whilst I have just stripped myself of any kind of semblance of cool that I might have had this is a good bit of ACME music blog which strikes a chord with me regarding The 'Rillion.
posted by captain davros , 10:41 AM Þ 

Electralene @ 100 Club, Oxford Street (£7)
Biz Markie, Roots Manuva @ Forum, Kentish Town (£18)

Hmmm well it's thursday now so those are pretty much the only options - I searched for Rough Trade and E&C but couldn't really find anything relevant. I could do the Electralene one (since it's cheep) but I don't really know who they are... more importantly don't really know where that is. I could find out though, somehow. I'm in an internet cafe right now... amazing how annoying communication gets w/o a computer.
Anyway, going to Greenwich today. Saw the pre-raphaelites at the Tate yesterday, that was alright - they do get a bit bland after 200 or so images though.
Anyway, I'll try to pop back on here later, if anyone's willing to go I'll see if I can make it. My transport is limited to the tube right now (which isn't so bad, the tube is fucking HUGE!). Ciao.
posted by Barrie , 9:19 AM Þ 

from the NWW list:-

This is advanced warning of an event the month after Re:Tg in London. From June the 21st until June 27th The Horse Hospital shall be possessed by The Hafler Trio. Within the confines of that week shall be 3 concert performances, on the 21st, 24th and 27th, the spaces between these gigs shall see the horse pistol given over to an "instalation" which, if recent live activity is anything to go by, should prove quite an experience. Fine details still being worked out, watch this space...
posted by Mess Noone , 9:14 AM Þ 

spam? or blogdial post? you decide.

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posted by Ken , 2:52 AM Þ 

Another interview from The Tech, this time with Slick Rick.
posted by alex_tea , 2:01 AM Þ 

An interview with Jack Valenti, President of the MPAA, from MIT's student paper, The Tech.

Slashdot discussion.
posted by alex_tea , 1:55 AM Þ 
Wednesday, April 28, 2004

the H30 article in the wire is fascinating
posted by Alun , 9:43 PM Þ 

no editing facility in the top window.

Click on the triangle to the left of the draft tick box.

If the text box ever dissapears (and it will), use the up/down keys to scroll it back.
posted by Irdial , 8:08 PM Þ 

Some blogs are whimsical and deal with "soft" subjects. Others, though, are cutting edge in delivering information and opinion.

As a result, some analysts say U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials might be starting to track blogs for important bits of information. This interest is a sign of how far Web media such as blogs have come in reshaping the data-collection habits of intelligence professionals and others, even with the knowledge that the accuracy of what's reported in some blogs is questionable.

Still, a panel of folks who work in the U.S. intelligence field - some of them spies or former spies - discussed this month at a conference in Washington the idea of tracking blogs.

"News and intelligence is about listening with a critical ear, and blogs are just another conversation to listen to and evaluate. They also are closer to (some situations) and may serve as early alerts," [....]

Shoot the Pres|dent!

Yahoo News
posted by Irdial , 8:05 PM Þ 

It was My Morning Jacket and it's on BMG. And you know what? It copies fine in Mandrake Linux. The audio CD browser is flattening it out into OGG Vorbis as I type! That's what I wanted in the first place - OGG for computer, CD for HiFi, tape for car, Minidisc for walking around. Buy once, play many.

One bummer though - Blogger doesn't seem to work in my newly installed Mozilla 1.7 under XP. Anyone have a workaround on this (though I think most Blogdialians these days are Mac users)? I'm okay with the Lo-Fi but at the moment I get no editing facility in the top window.
posted by captain davros , 7:55 PM Þ 

BluePhoneMenu is a small application that adds Caller ID functionality to your menu bar and desktop using your Bluetooth enabled phone.

BluePhoneMenu does not need to sync with your address book or run any complex tasks. Simply add BluePhoneMenu to your startup items and it will wait for a call from any Bluetooth phone you have paired. You can also monitor signal strength, battery power and many other properties all from the menu bar. [...]
posted by Irdial , 6:45 PM Þ 

"The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to New Hampshire, where they may work within the political system to reduce the size and scope of government. The success of the Free State Project would likely entail reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world."
posted by Irdial , 6:34 PM Þ 

Before you buy any CD, you need to check it against two websites:

to see if its broken

then check to see if its an RIAA label or shell label:

If it passes muster on both sites, then you can buy it.

What was the artist and label Dav? You are perfectly and legally entitled to hunt it down on Soulseek.
posted by Irdial , 4:49 PM Þ 

MPromo - Signs 2000

via MeFi...
posted by alex_tea , 4:30 PM Þ 

Re: Copy protected discs.

AFAIK the copy protection is in the disc, in the way it's manufactured, unlike Macrovision which is built into the recorded media (DVD, VHS, etc) and the player. So if you were to play the disc on a player with digital outputs there's nothing stopping you recording that digital output.

Of course that depends on you having the right equipment, and not many people have that, although people with high-end stereos / home cinema systems will do, and these are becoming more popular...

So if someone wants to copy a disc, and they're quite technical (most high end CD players and computer sound cards have digital I/O) there's not a lot stopping them from doing it... It's not like you have to do anything difficult to circumvent the copy protection, assuming you have the technology.

It just all seems like a lot of fuss (from the Record Companies) over nothing...
posted by alex_tea , 4:16 PM Þ 

Just bought a copy-protected CD. Didn't notice it on the sleeve at the time of purchase, but it is there now I look closely.

Bah, can't put it in computer and convert it to OGG. Why am I not allowed to do as I wish with my purchase? After all I can use it as a cup coaster, throw it out of the window or put it in the yard as a bird scarer, but make it more convenient to listen to at work - pah! This is daft.
posted by captain davros , 2:50 PM Þ 

Rover guards "The Village"
posted by meau meau , 11:44 AM Þ 

it's not a camera limitation and Ive formatted the card. I was in a dialogue with tech support but the real world distracted me. Will have to get back on their case.
posted by chriszanf , 10:55 AM Þ 

I KNEW it would be you!!!
posted by Irdial , 10:38 AM Þ 


Intrinsically Secure Legally Acquired Named Document


Is the 30 second thing a camera limitation or do you need to reformat your flash card?
posted by meau meau , 10:10 AM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 7:22 AM Þ 
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

Duly noted and changed.....thanks Josh!
posted by chriszanf , 8:10 PM Þ 

Great sound and image, Chris. But your links should be this:

clip 1 [7,930kb]
clip 2 [7,909kb]
clip 3 [7,932kb]

...a gorgeous fluffy cloud day here in NYC...
posted by Josh Carr , 7:53 PM Þ 

I captured a couple of short bits of the hailstones on my camera, which doesn't record for more than 30 seconds for some unknown reason, even though I have a 128Mg card in it. Unfortunately there was no thunder or lightning while I shot these.

anyway......[Quicktime movies]

clip 1 [7,930kb]
clip 2 [7,909kb]
clip 3 [7,932kb]
posted by chriszanf , 7:44 PM Þ 

I need a sexy acronym, like the PATRIOT of the infamous and evil patriot act to describe the system; sadly, that 1-1000 fried my brain (that and the Brakspears at lunch) hmmmm I wonder who could come up with the coolest one?
posted by Irdial , 7:33 PM Þ 

The Irdial Digitally Signed Passport Plan meme is spreading.

Spread faster dammit!
posted by Irdial , 7:27 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 7:26 PM Þ 

By the way, the EU should enact a permanent moratorium on biometric passports and ID cards, as EU policy. In this way, we can be sure that they wont be forced on us. They cant be against the sending of personal data to the usa, but FOR the creation of a database that will for certain rsynced with an underground building in Virginia.

Failing that, a "no" vote to the constitution and a speedy exit from Europe would be the next best thing.
posted by Irdial , 7:09 PM Þ 


When you see a lightning strike, you can estimate how far away the impact was by counting from the instant you see a flash to the second that you hear the thunder. Sound moves through the air at 330m/s, and on average saying "one one thousand, two one thousand... (n) one thousand" allows you to count seconds accurately without a watch. Multiply the n you get to by 330 and you get a number of how far the strike was from you.

Rapidly decreasing (n), run for cover, yor gunna git zapped!
Increasing (n), its safe to get the putter out again.

Thats where "a 1-1000" comes from; its the lightning strike before the one thats going to fry you and turn you into a telepath!
posted by Irdial , 7:05 PM Þ 

18:56 That one just set off a load of car alarms. It was directly in my view.

What's a 1-1000 Akin?
posted by alex_tea , 6:57 PM Þ 

Gigs this week, that I can think of:

Dj Dangermouse & Jemini, Prince Paul @ Scala Kings Cross (£12:50)
Colleen @ Water Rats, Kings Cross also (£6 adv.)

Electralene @ 100 Club, Oxford Street (£7)
Biz Markie, Roots Manuva @ Forum, Kentish Town (£18)

Might be worth checking into Rough Trade (Portobello or Covent Garden) and Smallfish (Old Street) to see what else is on. Smallfish used to have free instore shows on Thursdays, since they've moved shop they haven't had anything on though... Also These (Elephant & Castle) might know of any less formal / more highbrow events happening.

Hope that helps Barry, let us know if you decide on anything...

Hmm, the difficulty of finding what's on in London spurs me on to actually create the gig listing site I dreamed up 3 years ago... If only I had the time...
posted by alex_tea , 6:54 PM Þ 

I just got blasted by a 1-1000 strike!
posted by Irdial , 6:50 PM Þ 

our house is half a mile north of victoria park... and the entire roof spills to one drain... it's not coping well!

great thunder!
and on it goes... rippling it's way south, by the sound of it


that one was right over mr T!
posted by Alun , 6:46 PM Þ 

I'm sitting right below a skylight. the rain was so hard I thought the glass would shatter. I have a great panoramic view across Victoria Park, watching the lightning was amazing, although I only caught it a couple of times, usually I would look up just after...

There was one crack of thunder before the rain started that was so loud and violent (like a whip) I heard someone (sounded like a grown man) outside yelp!

You're in Hackney aren't you Alun? We must be quite close...

I liked the way there was about 30 minutes of thunder before the rain started.
posted by alex_tea , 6:37 PM Þ 

Rollin & tumblin!
posted by Irdial , 6:35 PM Þ 

thunderbolts and lightning
very very frightening

are other london blogdialinas listening to the sky ripping apart?
is someone recording?
posted by Alun , 6:21 PM Þ 

Ahoy hoy. I'll be staying at the YMCA until Friday morning probably, then I'll be taking a scummy Virgin train back to Preston at about 6:30 (cheap tickets!). I think the Y will be "'ardcore."
Will try to get on an internet cafe to check Blogger...
posted by Barrie , 4:55 PM Þ 


I almost had a herat yeas hearat attack laughing at that!
posted by Irdial , 4:18 PM Þ 

Which part of London do I live in?

That town north of north london called Leeds?

"Eat your own ears" looks good.... Is there anything going down on Thursday that Barrie could make it to?

My mailbox was under a deluge of '419's' the other day and a friend pointed out this site check the 'trophy room'....revenge, oh sweet revenge!

The public opinion was not consulted because the public opinion doesnt count.......

on Earth, it would seem.
posted by chriszanf , 4:05 PM Þ 

The Iraqi Flag Design Under Saddam Hussein

New Iraqi Flag Proposed by

The Flag of the State of Israel

BAGHDAD, April 26 -- It was supposed to be the perfect symbol for a new and unified Iraq: an Islamic crescent on a field of pure white, with two blue stripes representing the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and a third yellow stripe to symbolize the country's Kurdish minority.

But the new national flag, presented Monday after an artistic competition sponsored by the Iraqi Governing Council, appears to have met with widespread public disapproval here -- in part because of its design and in part because of the increasing unpopularity of the U.S.-appointed council.

In interviews in several Baghdad neighborhoods, a variety of residents expressed strong negative reactions to the flag, which was reproduced in most daily newspapers. In particular, people objected to the pale blue color of the crescent and stripes, saying it was identical to the dominant color in the flag of Israel, a Jewish state.

"When I saw it in the newspaper, I felt very sad," said Muthana Khalil, 50, a supermarket owner in Saadoun, a commercial area in central Baghdad. "The flags of other Arab countries are red and green and black. Why did they put in these colors that are the same as Israel? Why was the public opinion not consulted?" [...]

The public opinion was not consulted because the public opinion doesnt count in Iraq, ASSWIPE!
posted by Irdial , 3:53 PM Þ 

Which part of London do I live in?

I don't know, I just assumed. The assumption was based on the fact that you are in England or Europe (judging by the timings of your posts) and also that Akin seems to know you (Or at least, that's what came across to me).

Not that Akin only knows people in London. Anyway, sorry.

Mysterious meau.
posted by alex_tea , 3:32 PM Þ 

The whole idea of biometric cards is that we are so in fear of our personal details being leaked that the database will contain strong, useful information.
However if lots of individuals openly published their biometric information - putting their fingerprints on their website for example then the notion of biometric identifiers would be completely worthless.

Its just a crazy thought.
posted by meau meau , 1:29 PM Þ 

ID cards won't stop attacks, says Blunkett

David Blunkett yesterday watered down suggestions that ID cards would stop politicians as he set out plans to introduce a compulsory scheme within 10 years.


However, he added: "It will make a big difference to the operation of the counter-terrorism and security services. They believe it, and I believe them.

The only difference is they'll start raking in loads of money from idiot politicians
posted by meau meau , 1:25 PM Þ 

The most recent opinion poll shows a large majority in favour of a card but also indicated nearly 60% changing their minds if they would have to pay for the card – which they would. It also indicates over 50% having little faith in the Government’s ability to manage such a large data base.

This is what the pollsters call ‘soft support’ and whilst we in no way underestimate the difficult task facing us we remain convinced that this proposal can be defeated, as similar proposals in the past have been. [...]


At last, the first signs of fighting talk!
posted by Irdial , 1:12 PM Þ 

9. The government briefing suggests - like the EU - that an important reason for biometric ID/passports is that the USA demands that you cannot go there unless you have one. If people want to go to the USA - a fraction of those who travel abroad - then they will have to consent to be possibly interrogated and have their fingerprints taken and it could be argued that this is their choice.
posted by Irdial , 1:08 PM Þ 

The next time someone from the government says something about people having "nothing to hide" the only response can be to remind them of how limited and narrow the UKs freedom of information act is and how even that it is being consistently and deliberately undermined by goverment departments.


Which part of London do I live in?

I think in the future, historians will look back on us...

And on the eve of the revolution, Blairie Anthonyette looked down on the masses and said "Let them eat Cook"
posted by meau meau , 1:04 PM Þ 


Commenting on the publication of the draft ID cards Bill, Liberal Democrat Shadow Home Secretary Mark Oaten said:

"The Home Secretary is leading us towards an expensive and flawed piece of plastic. This will do little to tackle terrorism and the £3bn would be better spent on more intelligence and policing. Costs are bound to escalate if expensive equipment is going to be installed in every post office, hospital and benefits office throughout the land.

"The government promised the public a voluntary scheme in the first instance. It is now clear that anyone who applies for a passport or driving license during the 'voluntary' period will be added to the ID cards register whether they like it or not. This Bill would bring us within a hair's breadth of compulsory identity cards.

"The Bill may not give the police new powers, but it will give them a powerful new tool for checking a suspect's identity and immigration status. The potential for racial discrimination in policing and in public services like health and benefits is massive.

"David Blunkett's defence of his big idea is muddled and his arguments do not stand up to scrutiny. It is time for politicians and the public to wake up to the dangers of this scheme, both to our pockets and our civil liberties. The Conservatives in particular must make up their minds, because a cross-party coalition could defeat the government in the Lords." [...]

5. Our personal data will be shared without our consent. Everyone will be given a unique number to identify them which will be encoded on the card. Other databases (for example store loyalty cards or medical records) will start to identify people using their unique number. Knowing the number could therefore allow someone to retrieve sensitive information about that individual from any number of other sources. The potential for cross-referencing databases will be of great value to private companies in profiling consumers.

7. It will not prevent illegal working. The Home Office wants to make it compulsory for people to present their card when applying for a job in the UK, and claims that this will prevent illegal working. But employers in industries with high levels of illegal labour are already required to check identity documents. The problem is that the Home Office doesn't inspect them to make sure they are following the rules. There were only 2 prosecutions for employing an illegal worker in 2002. The fact that illegal immigrants will not be able to get ID cards will not change anything as long as there are unscrupulous employers and lax Home Office enforcement.

8. It will not help to fight crime or terrorism. The police do not generally have a problem identifying people they arrest: the problem is in catching the criminals in the first place. The Metropolitan police have stated that with the exception of identity fraud, they know of no evidence to show that ID cards will reduce crime. ID cards would not present an obstacle to most terrorists either. The terrorists who attacked New York on September 11th 2001 and Madrid on March 11th 2004carried valid identity cards. Knowing someone's identity does not necessarily help you to predict how they are going to behave.

9. We do not have a written constitution. This means the government can get away with expanding the uses of the card and lowering the safeguards on data sharing. The relationship between the state and the citizen is not properly defined in law. Every other country that has a system of compulsory identity cards also has a written constitution. We will be passing a law on the understanding that this government will not use the system to spy on its citizens or restrict civil liberties - even if that were is true, can we be so trusting of future governments? [...]

Liberal Democrats

I have two words for you "Proportional Representation".
posted by Irdial , 12:56 PM Þ 

What are you doing Friday night? This looks good.
Oh man, what a lineup! I won't be able to go though since I have to catch the train to Preston friday evening. I will be kicking myself for years, though.
posted by Barrie , 12:55 PM Þ 

Someone clever wrote:

NO ! NO ! NO! - this turns the ID card into a potential Genocide or Apartheid Card. How easy would it be to produce an address based arrest or vigilante hate list of everybody with "Mohammed" in their name ?

There is no justification for including Address information on the ID Card or on the central database.

Apart from the thousands of people of no fixed abode, the £1000 fine for not having "accurate and up to date" information in the system is evil. [...]

I like it.
posted by Irdial , 12:25 PM Þ 

[...] This is surely recklessly ambitious. More so because Blunkett still shows little sign of having a sound grasp of the actual capabilities of ID systems. This morning, for example, he told Today that ID cards "couldn't solve Madrid [the bombings] because nobody has biotechnology today." In the cases of both 9/11 and Madrid the attackers appear to have had valid ID, so biometric valid ID is neither here nor there, but despite having had this put to him by numerous interviewers Blunkett seems unable to stop presenting biometrics as some kind of magic. He went on to explain the situation of countries who didn't have biometric ID: "Those without biometrics will be known as the easiest touch. That's why we need to be ahead."

The logic of this situation, that those countries where it is easier to obtain ID can be used by terrorists to establish valid ID which can then be used to visit and bomb the UK, seems to elude him. The Home Office does have schemes for biometric ID for non-UK passport holders in the UK, and is already fingeprinting asylum seekers and some visa applicants, but the scheme as announced today actually rules out biometrics for visitors who are staying less than three months. Which would seem to suggest that terrorists on an awayday are entirely immune to the ?3.1 billion biometric checking regime.

The roadmap as presented by Blunkett yesterday is as follows. Following the publication of the draft there will be "further consultation including opening up technical issues and inviting a development partner from the private sector", then a full bill will be introduced in the autumn session. Biometric passports will appear within three years, and "as we're putting this on a clean database this will not be forgeable." Foreign nationals will be brought into the scheme "as quickly as possible" and "we're hoping people will want voluntarily to renew their passport early" (not at those prices mate, so we can expect some special incentive discounts on the ?73 for a passport), "so within seven years we will start to move to the position where people across the population have got an ID card." The Home Office itself today published a target of 80 per cent of the economically active population by 2013.

Privacy International described the scheme as "draconian and dangerous," pointing out that the draft gave the Home Secretary wide powers to disclose identity-related information to a range of authorities, including police, Inland Revenue and Customs & Excise, can order a person to register for an ID card, and can even have them registered against their will if the necessary data is already known. A range of new offences including failure to notify of a damaged or defective card, and failure to report a change of address, is also introduced. The Home Secretary (i.e. Blunkett) "has the power to make Orders to change almost every element of the proposed system." It is, says Privacy International director Simon Davies, "a disgrace to democracy."

The Register

Astonishing isnt it?
posted by Irdial , 12:23 PM Þ 

What are you doing Friday night? This looks good.
posted by alex_tea , 11:42 AM Þ 

Prices seem to raise the further south you go... things weren't TOO bad in Scotland... they're atrocious in Preston, I imagine London will blow my brains out?

I picked up a gmail account... a very good one at that. barrie (ort) if you'd like to reach me. My old ones work as well but are festooned by spam. I of course can't use gpg until I get back home...
I'll be in London until Friday night. Next week we go to the lakes. wheee!
posted by Barrie , 11:28 AM Þ 

Also things over here are so expensive. Really, really expensive.

You've been in Scotland and the north and you think things are expensive. Just you wait Barry... ;)

Perhaps this week the London Blogdialians can congregate? Alun, Chris, Akin, Ben, These, meaumeau?
posted by alex_tea , 11:20 AM Þ 

Hi all, just sending a quick postcard from Tarleton, where I'm currently staying. I spent yesterday in Glasgow, which is a very nice city but still suffers from the horrible regrettable 60's architecture that every city in Britain I've been to suffers from. The old art deco/nouveau buildings are incredible, esp. the Glasgow School of Art, which I took a tour of. I also checked out the big cathedral and a few other places.
The previous week I've spent a lot of time dawdling along the countryside and around Preston. Preston is not very spectacular but has some nice features to it. One thing I immediately notice is that many buildings in the city are very dirty (rubbish, worn drywall, water damage etc). No one would get away with this in Canada, they would have health inspectors swarming all over them. Interesting. The old Victorian-style Avenham park, decaying and unkempt, really tells of a pathetic former empire.
The first day we were here dad and I walked around Hesketh Bank, looking at the old houses. Apparently the people there are massively paranoid because a police officer stopped us saying we'd been reported. She ID'd us and was embarrased to find we had very good documents on us (dad had his passport but I didn't show her mine, showed my driver's permit instead). Still though this incident really pissed me off. Can I not even look at houses, and obvious tourist?
Anyway. I leave for London this afternoon, hopefully that's fun. Don't know where we'll stay but hopefully we find somewhere decent.

Also things over here are so expensive. Really, really expensive.
posted by Barrie , 10:56 AM Þ 

So, you have to have an ID card, and if you don't comply then you'll face a fine, but if you don't pay that we'll just ignore you.

What's the likelyhood that someone who fails to comply with an ID scheme will not want to pay the fine either? I'm sure plenty of otherwise law abiding citizens will refuse t comply with the ID card scheme, but who in their right mind would pay a fine for something they believed to be fundamentally flawed.

If I drove and I got caught speeding, I would pay the price because I understand, and agree with the law in that respect. If I get fined for not complying with davID Blunket I wouldn't pay the fine because I don't agree with the law. If it came to it I would take it to the European Courts as I feel it infringes on Human Rights, as do others, and I would expect they would feel exactly the same way. I would stick my neck out because I believe others would do the same for me.
posted by alex_tea , 10:35 AM Þ 

People who refuse to register or cooperate with the proposed compulsory national identity card scheme will face a "civil financial penalty" of up to £2,500, according to the draft legislation published by the government yesterday.

But the home secretary, David Blunkett, insisted that nobody would face imprisonment or criminal court action for failing to pay, because he had no desire to create ID card "martyrs".

I think Blunkett has slightly misunderstood 'doublespeak'. But at least we can not have cards with impunity. I think, er, ...


The draft Bill contains provisions such as recording where you live, where you have lived, when you moved...

It also says that different types of ID documents will not be issued, that mans even if you were forced into using your Driving License as an ID card your passport would still be chipped and tagged.

There was a thing on the news last night about how happy the Italians are with their ID cards, but I'm not Italian and this isn't Italy and we don't have a corrupt crypto-fascist leader.
posted by meau meau , 10:00 AM Þ 
Monday, April 26, 2004

My reaction to the preface of the Draft ID cards Bill released for consultation:

We have a tradition of living in a free and open society and we are used to taking people at face value, trusting them to be who they say they are.

Living in a free and open society is not a “Tradition” it is our birthright, and our fundamental and absolute right. It is not something that can be taken away by a Home Secretary who has a fetish for control. It is not something that can be given to another country. The birthright of all British children belongs to the present and future generations. It is a sacred, fragile and precious thing. We cannot let a single generation of milk blooded lap dogs give it away in an era of wild and foolish ideological experimentalism.

Recent events have brought home how, in today?s rapidly changing world, the need for trust and confidence actually require us to move beyond this and take the opportunity of new biometric technology which allows for a completely new level of verifying identity.

We cannot “move beyond” our fundamental rights. No matter how much the world changes, we cannot, on a permanent basis, throw away our fundamental rights. If anything, as technology reveals to us more and more opportunities, we should be enshrining and solidifying our new rights, such as the right to telephone privacy, which only became real with the invention of the telephone, and which is the natural extension of the right to privacy in your letters. The government, in its proper role of the servant, has no business creating a system of this nature, whose sole purpose is to gain absolute control of the good people of the United Kingdom. If this proposal were honest, if its goal was to fight terrorism, it would be first of all explained why it was needed, and how specially, it would achieve its goal. It would also be limited in its scope and duration. What we have been presented with is an open ended scheme that has no demonstrable ability to solve the problems for which it is being created.

The threat of global terrorism, the ease with which large numbers of people now travel around the world, and the proliferation of identity fraud make secure identification more vital than ever.

This is a lie. The “threat of global terrorism” could be ended in a day if the USA and the UK would stop interfering in the affairs of the Middle East. This reasonable request would put an end to Islamic extremism forever, and this is the stated truce offered to the USA and the UK by the representative and spokesman for this international resistance. I call it this because reasonable people understand that the jihadists are in every way identical to Americans and the British. They are desperate men, pushed beyond human tolerance to the point where death is better than life. These people are educated and serious. If they could make political progress simply by debate and the vote, they would do so. The facts are that for generations, the international political process has failed them through the blatantly unfair and one sided control of the UN by a handful of states. No reasonable human being, American or Englishman would consign his heirs to perpetual enslavement; this is why the original Americans became terrorists and freed themselves from the yoke of the British. This is why the original Israelis used terror bombs to free themselves. The “threat of global terrorism” has been literally manufactured by the USA and the UK governments. When shown a way out, they have refused to take it. This is the proof.

We all need greater certainty about whether people are who they say they are - whether travelling, or in business, or in ensuring that free public services are accessed only by those who are entitled.

This is a lie. We have been doing very well, without any measures of this type - experiencing unprecedented economic growth and freedom without these measures. We do not need these measures. No country that has had the misfortune of introducing them has experienced greater prosperity than the countries that have not; in fact, the exact opposite is true; the US and UK economies are 1st and 4th in the world, precisely because they are free. The Soviet Union fell in no small part because of the absolute control of identity imposed by the state. The once beleaguered black South Africans experienced biblical levels of suffering as a direct effect of state controlled identity. The fact of the matter is state control of identity damages populations; it saps their freedom at a fundamental level, renders them partially inert and ultimately harms economic prosperity.

Not only that, but we are right to expect greater security and protection of our own identity. That is why there has been a steadily growing interest in the introduction of identity cards in the United Kingdom ? and a growing recognition that, rather than threatening our vital freedoms, they would actually help preserve them.

This is completely illogical. The protection of your identity can be done without a state implemented identity card. The system of the type being proposed by David Blunkett is designed to share your information all over the world. This has nothing to do with protecting your identity, and has everything to do with controlling your movements both of your person and of your money. If David Blunkett was truly interested in securing the identity of the British public, he would allow individuals and the state to develop their own systems that suit the needs of each situation. Your bank can require certain forms of ID and it might offer you a service where it issues you with a bank ID. You can either choose to accept it or reject it. There are ways that secure passports can be created that do not rely on a centralized database, but which are just as secure as the system propose d in this draft bill. David Blunkett is not interested in these counter proposals for new passports because they do not offer him what he desires; absolute control over your entire life, via a unique identifying number tied to your fingerprints, retina scans and facial profile. The fact of the matter is, the control of identity is the sole preserve of the public and the market, and is not the business of the state.

Following a public consultation, I announced in November the Government?s decision to build a base for a compulsory national identity cards scheme.

That public consultation was a sham. The overwhelming majority of respondents were opposed to the introduction of an ID card scheme, and the opposition was eloquent and technically literate. The opposing views were simply ignored because David Blunkett wants to introduce ID cards, no matter what the British public want, no matter if they will work to solve the problems that he says he is pushing them through for.

I made clear then that we would proceed by incremental steps, building first on existing, widely held voluntary identity documents, and only taking a final decision later to move to compulsion.

The reason why this is being done in incremental steps is because the British people need to be pummeled into submission. A human being by its nature can become adjusted to any situation; David Blunkett, by saying he is doing this in incremental steps, what he really means is that the British people need to be conditioned until they accept ID cards.

Eventually everyone lawfully resident in the UK would be required to register for a card ? but there would be no compulsion to carry the card or to produce it

This is completely absurd on first examination, but the fact is that when the police and all the services in the country, including chemists banks and any private enterprise have terminal access to ID reading machines ( a fingerprint reader) connected via the ubiquitous internet to the government ID database the physical card will be an irrelevance. Your ID can be checked at any time by the compulsion to look into a police eye scanner, or fingerprint reader. Refusal to do so will have to be made a crime of course, and without reading the bill I am willing to bet that this provision is in there. If it is not, then it will be quickly added. The fact is, we do not need physical cards in this new biometric ID system your body itself is the card.

without good reason. This move to compulsion would only happen once the initial stage of the scheme had proved to be successful and following a further debate and the approval of both Houses of Parliament.

This is why everyone must refuse to accept both biometric passports and these ID cards. It is the only way that they system can be made to fail. The only way it can work to control the British public is if a tipping point of enrolled people is reached. Everyone must refuse point blank to enroll in this system. It will then die of its own accord, if not by legislation.

Although the process will build on existing documents, such as passports and driving licences, we need a clear additional legal framework before we can introduce a national identity cards scheme.

And in here will be the removal of your rights to opt out or refuse to be enrolled in the system.

The next step is therefore to publish, for consultation, our proposals for legislation in the draft Identity Cards Bill. That is the purpose of this document. I want us to be able to test and refine these proposals before legislation is introduced finally into Parliament.

Who is “us”? and judjing from the last consultation excersise, Blunkett, Shlumberger Sema and his yes men will ignore the opposing views and push ahead anyway, just as they did with Iraq.

Their absurd, undemocratic polls via which they justify this awful card scheme (80% of 1000 people asked saying yes to ID cards to reduce immigration fraud, a clearly weighted question) is being touted as the definitive proof that the British Public want ID cards. These people are manipulators murderers and liars and they cannot be trusted with a bottle of tap water much less the administration of a system like this, which should not be created in the first instance.

The Cold War against the Soviet Union was not a war for freedom. It was a war to see who would create and control the World Soviet System. All the egregious and evil devices, ID cards, mass surveillance, financial slavery are all being introduced incrementally in the west, to finally replicate law for law, the former Soviet Union. We all know that the propaganda machine is already well in place :]

I am inviting general views as well as specific drafting comments on our legislative proposals.

So that you can ignore them, yet say that you heard them. If we are lucky.

In particular, I am looking forward to receiving comments from the House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee which has been undertaking an inquiry on Identity Cards and is set to carry out pre-legislative scrutiny of the draft Identity Cards Bill. We will take full account of all the comments we receive before going ahead with the legislation.

This is a lie.

I want everyone who is living lawfully in the UK to be able to assert his or her true identity and to protect that identity against fraud, as well as protecting their freedoms against new threats from global terrorism and organised crime.

We can all do this without you David Blunkett. We can assert our true identity with all the organizations that we interact with, we can protect ourselves against identity fraud, and we certainly will protect our freedoms against the new threat that you and you blind, hair brained ID card represents.

The scheme we are building will do this ? but I want to work with all interested parties to make sure we get it right.

The scheme you are building ? or trying to build - will not do this. That is a lie. You do not want to work with all interested parties. That is a lie. You will not get it right, because the whole proposal is wrong. That is the truth.

posted by Irdial , 8:52 PM Þ 

Freeing the Mind : Free Software and the Death of Proprietary Culture
The result, as everyone in this room is aware, is that twelve-year-olds do a better job of distributing music than the music companies.

The truth is spoken.
The good fight fought.
posted by Josh Carr , 7:17 PM Þ 

Read it and weep!

Or much better yet (a triplet dont you know), pledge to disobey.
posted by Irdial , 6:27 PM Þ 

The way they spent their time was measured in pounds (either as reward, or cost) and even the value of their dwellings was measured in pounds (regardless of size). There were fetish representations in the form of notes and coins, but these had no value other than that bestowed upon them by society, and beyond a certain value even their representation lost its worth".

This is the Sci-Fi "future without money" idea, which personally, I believe will certainly happen. Money (you already know what I thing about this) is the absolute center of every activitiy on the earth where men are interacting. Those who know this and who are trying to get away from it are reacting against it, and everyone else is in thrall to it.

Some people put forward ideas where "unliving" objects display all of the characteristics of large living organisms; the car, for example, fits into that model. Our every space has been changed to fit in with the car; in a sense, it is moulding the world to make it a better place for cars to freely run. Or is it oil that is an intelligent living thing (which was the central theme of the X-Files "Black Oil subplot), or is it a combination of Oil, Money and the combustion engine inside a car that is the complicated large scale intelligent organisim using mankind as a slave to re make the world to its own ends?

Either way, money has to die, its as simple as that. Quite how this is going to be done and when I am not sure, but sure I am that it will come to pass.
posted by Irdial , 6:26 PM Þ 

Today is the first real day of spring - when you can't help but take in the aroma of new blooms and stale urine which buzzes in the air...
Meau... That's just so social-realistic-romantic...
posted by Alison , 3:26 PM Þ 

These biometric cards open up a closable pandoras box of abuse and problems. Since the box is closable, its not the end of the world if the system is introduced and then defeated in 5 years, but what is totally un-recoverable is the massive cost of the excersise

I think in the future, historians will look back on us in the same chuckling way as is done now regarding the belief in the ether, or mythical gods, or other can't-really-be-seen-but-we-need-to-believe-they're-there concepts. They will say something like "the people of the late industrial age belived above all else in the power of the pound, and all paths and purpose linked back to the pound, and yet for most people it couldn't really be seen. The way they spent their time was measured in pounds (either as reward, or cost) and even the value of their dwellings was measured in pounds (regardless of size). There were fetish representations in the form of notes and coins, but these had no value other than that bestowed upon them by society, and beyond a certain value even their representation lost its worth".

Or something like that.
posted by captain davros , 3:25 PM Þ 

My favorite hip-hop-tune at the moment:

Ya know that's why man I be telling you all the time man you know
that word love is a very serious thing and if you don't watch out I tell ya
that (Love's gonna get you) because a lot of people out here say "i
love my car" or "i love my chain" or or "i'm i'm just in love with that girl over there"
so far all the people out there that fall in love with material items
we gonna bump the beat a lil' something like this:

im in junior high with a b plus grade,
at the end of the day i don't hit the arcade,
I walk from school to my moms apartment,
I got to tell the sucaks everyday "don't start it",
cause where I'm at if your soft your lost,
to say on course means to roll with force,
a boy named Rob is chillin in a Benz,
in front of my building with the rest of his friends,
I give him a pound, oh i mean i shake his hand,
he's the neighborhood drug dealer, my man,
i go upstair and hug my mother,
kiss my sister, and punch my brother,
i sit down on my bed to watch some tv,
(machine gun fire) do my ears decieve me,
Nope, thats the fourth time this week,
another fast brother shot dead in the street,
the very next day while im off to class,
my moms goes to work cold busting her ass,
my sisters cute but she got no gear,
i got three pairs of pants and with my brother i share,
see there in school see i'm made a fool,
with one and a half pair of pant you aint cool,
but there's no dollars for nothing else,
i got beans, rice, and bread on my shelf,
every day i see my mother struggling,
now its time i've got to do something,
i look for work i get dissed like a jerk,
i do odd jobs and come home like a slob,
so here comes Rob hes cold and shivery,
he gives me two hundred for a quick delivery,
i do it once, i do it twice,
now theres steak with the beans and rice,
my mother's nervous but she knows the deal,
my sister's gear now has sex appeal,
my brothers my partner and we're getting paper,
three months later we run our own caper,
my family's happy everything is new,
now tell me what the fuck am i supposed to do?!?!?!


thats why, (loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
you fall in love with your chain,
you fall in love with your car,
loves gonna sneak right up and snuff you from behind,
so i want you to check the story out as we go down the line,
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)

money's flowing, everything is fine,
got myself an uzi and my brother a nine,
buisness is boomin' everything is cool,
i pull about a G a week fuck school,
a year goes by and I begin to grow,
not in height but juice and cash flow,
I pick up my feet and begin to watch tv,
cause now I got other people working for me,
I got a 55 inch television you know,
and every once in awhile I hear just say no,
or the other commercial I love,
is when they say, this is your brain on drugs,
I pick up my remote control and just turn,
cause with that bullshit im not concerned,
see me and my brother jump in the BM,
driving around our territory again,
I stop at the light like a superstar,
and automatic weapons cold sprayed my car,
I hit the accelerater scared as fuck,
and drove one block to find my brother was hit,
he wasn't dead but the blood was pouring,
and all I could think about was war and,
later I found that it was Rob and his crew,
now tell me what the fuck am I supposed to do?!?!

ya know thats why, (loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(love loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
(love loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
that word love is very very serious(loves gonna get you)
very addictive

my brothers out of it, but i'm still in it,
on top of that im in it to win it,
I can't believe that Rob would diss me,
that faggot, that punk, he's soft a sissy,
I'm driving around now with three of my guys,
the war is on and I'm on the rise,
we rolled right up to his favorite hang out,
said hello and then the bullets rang out,
some fired back so we took cover,
and all I could think about was my brother,
Rob jumped up and began to run,
busting shots hoping to hit someone,
so I just stopped, and let off three shots,
two hit him and one hit a cop,
I threw the gun down and began to shout,
come on I got him it's time to break out,
but as we ran there were the boys in blue,
pointing their guns at my four man crew,
they shot down one, they shot down two,
now tell me what the fuck am I supposed to do,

(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
(love loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
(love loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you),
(loves gonna get you)
(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)(loves gonna get you)
(love loves gonna get you)
ya know a lot of people believe that that word Love is real soft, but
when you use it in your vocabulary like your addicted to it
it sneaks right up
and takes you right out. out. out. out. out.
So, for future reference remember it's alright to like or want a
item, but when you fall in love with it and you start scheming and
on for it, just remember, it's gonna get'cha

Wow, I tried for the first time in my life to give a 1? hour dj-set at a small caf? on a rainy sunday, very few people (besides some nice firends) cigarettes and apple juice. Since I cant mix records I just faded the records together the best I could... played a mix of KRS-one, Madlib, Glenn Underground, Norma Jean Bell, Plaid and Aquaregia... to name a few... But it is exhausting only to have between 2-5 minutes to find the right record that fit in and cue it right... I certainly have more respect for dj's now - (well some of them)...
posted by Alison , 3:25 PM Þ 

Today is the first real day of spring - when you can't help but take in the aroma of new blooms and stale urine which buzzes in the air
posted by meau meau , 2:58 PM Þ 

The newest verb to be added to the English language:


in use: "Skype me", "I'll Skype you", "I'm Skyping".

posted by Irdial , 2:32 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 1:22 PM Þ 

Lies and Secrets, part 2

The days after the official launch of Japan's national ID network

by Gohsuke Takama
Tokyo, Aug 13, 2002

The Day of Official Launch

On Aug 5, Japan's government officially forced to activate the controversial Basic Resident Registers Network, or so called Jukinet among Japanese, without having privacy protection laws enacted, although the network has been up technically since Jul 22.

On the day of launch, 6 municipal governments disconnected. Suginami-ward of Tokyo (510,000 population), city of Kokubunji (110,000), and town of Yamatsuri in Fukushima prefecture (7,300), city of Yokohama (3,450,000) took disobedience. Towns of Futami (5,800) and Obata (18,300) in Mie pref. waited for several days to participate. That day, the computers for the Basic Resident Registers Network at Suginami-ward were kept off. City of Kokubunji had a ceremony of shutting down machines at 9:00 am. Yamatsuri-cho even turned off the system before on the day of testing started Jul 22.
posted by Irdial , 1:14 PM Þ 

the massive cost of the excersise.

They've wheeled out the ~3bn figure again - the sacred number of not-really-knowing-the-detail.
posted by meau meau , 1:11 PM Þ 

If the police are issued with mobile ID scanners how soon will it be before one is stolen and used by someone impersonating an venerable officer of the law?

Thats a great question. If I were designing the system, it would firstly run on Linux. Then each peace officer would have to log in with their fingerprint on the mobile unit to unlock it for service. If it gets stolen, requests from the unit could be denied.

There is always a technical solution to these types of problem; what no one is saying is the true nature of this ID scheme:

Just because we can do it it doesnt necessarily follow that we should do it.

These biometric cards open up a closable pandoras box of abuse and problems. Since the box is closable, its not the end of the world if the system is introduced and then defeated in 5 years, but what is totally un-recoverable is the massive cost of the excersise.
posted by Irdial , 12:47 PM Þ 


Hang out the bunting!
posted by meau meau , 12:20 PM Þ 

Mistaken Identity; Exploring the Relationship Between National Identity Cards & the Prevention of Terrorism April 2004


. While a link between identity cards and anti-terrorism is frequently suggested, the connection appears to be largely intuitive. Almost no empirical research has been undertaken to clearly establish how identity tokens can be used as a means of preventing terrorism.

. The presence of an identity card is not recognised by analysts as a meaningful or significant component in anti-terrorism strategies. Five criteria are generally used to assess and benchmark the level of terrorist threat within a particular country: motivation of terrorists, the presence of terror groups, the scale and frequency of past attacks, efficacy of the groups in carrying out attacks, and prevention - how many attacks have been thwarted by the country.

The detailed analysis of information in the public domain in this study has produced no evidence to establish a connection between identity cards and successful anti-terrorism measures. Terrorists have traditionally moved across borders using tourist visas (such as those who were involved in the US terrorist attacks), or they are domicile and are equipped with legitimate identification cards (such as those who carried out the Madrid bombings).

. Of the 25 countries that have been most adversely affected by terrorism since 1986, eighty per cent have national identity cards, one third of which incorporate biometrics. This research was unable to uncover any instance where the presence of an identity card system in those countries was seen as a significant deterrent to terrorist activity.

. Almost two thirds of known terrorists operate under their true identity. The remainder use a variety of techniques to forge or impersonate identities. It is possible that the existence of a high integrity identity card would provide a measure of improved legitimacy for these people.

. Of the ten most frequently employed methods terrorists use to enter or operate within a country, only one would potentially be combated by a national identity card. Most terrorists enter a country on tourist visas which because of their popularity are subject to low-level scrutiny.

. At a theoretical level, a national identity card as outlined by the UK government could only assist anti-terrorism efforts if it was used by a terrorist who was eligible and willing to register for one, if the person was using their true identity, and if intelligence data could be connected to that identity. Only a small fraction of the ninety million crossings into the UK each year are supported by comprehensive security and identity checks.
posted by Irdial , 12:13 PM Þ 


There are some pretty strong images of war here, so be warned if you're faint-of-heart.
posted by captain davros , 12:11 PM Þ 

Police will be able to order eye scans under ID card plan

By Ben Russell, Political Correspondent
Independent 26 April 2004

Police will have powers to stop and check people against a national
biometric database under plans for a compulsory identity card scheme to be
unveiled today.

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, confirmed that police would be able to
compare people against national fingerprint or iris records even if they
did not carry the controversial document.

The draft Bill will outline plans to introduce biometric data on passports
in three years' time, with a compulsory scheme introduced by 2013...

This means that if you refuse, you will be taken to a police station and forcibly scanned. You will then be put on the system permamently, and marked as a non-cooperative person. This information will then be shared all over the world.

To be forcibly scanned in this way, against your will, is a complete violation of your rights.
posted by Irdial , 12:09 PM Þ 

We were encouraged to feel sorry for the inhabitants of Eastern european countries there they were ruled by a political elite who governed for their own benefit, self-justifying their positions in a political heirarchy which took its lead from a single domineering power, outside of their own state, the mass of the population didn't have the freedom to travel beyond the 'Iron Curtain' and those that did required express permission from the state and their movements were tracked.

And unlike 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' it was 'real'.

Oh how times change
posted by meau meau , 11:45 AM Þ 

If ID were really neccesary to fight the relentless tide of ne'er-do-wells that seek to rip up our 24 carat gold pavements and buy 80'''85 with them then we would have to be comfortable with the credibility of foreign ID systems not just our own.
We have to be satisfied that a Kashmiri will not find a way of getting both legitimate Pakistani and Indian IDs or a Cypriot Turkish/Greek, that your card's details will not be skimmed whilst in the safe in a Lagos/Kiev hotel along with your credit card when you pay at the bar.
If posession of 'false' ID becomesan imprisonable offence where does this leave the witness protection scheme - how longwill old witness records be lying around on the system (at least three years if they have been to the US)? How linked to their old identity would their new identity have to be for it to be operational and not throw errors? Does the WPS become unuseable and organised crime is 'liberated' by a climate of complete witness intimidation?
If the police are issued with mobile ID scanners how soon will it be before one is stolen and used by someone impersonating an venerable officer of the law?
posted by meau meau , 10:30 AM Þ 

"I believe that the requirement of an internal passport is more objectionable than an external passport, and that citizens ought to be allowed to move about freely without running the risk of being accosted by a policeman or anyone else, and asked to produce proof of identity"

Aneurin Bevan MP, 1947, from the government benches in the House of Commons

"We do not want to be stopped in the street by any person anywhere and to be forced to produce a card. If that kind of thing begins, we shall be afraid of people meeting us and asking for our cards. One thing that we do respect in this country is our freedom from being challenged on every occasion to produce something to prove that we are certain persons"

John Tinker MP

"The argument advanced on second reading - I conceive it to be the main argument for the retention of these troublesome documents - was that as long as rationing persists they are necessary. I do not believe it. We were told in the House the other day that there are 20,000 deserters still at large. How have these 20,000 persons contrived to equip themselves with food and clothing? Ex hypothesi they cannot be possessed of valid honest identity cards, but that has not prevented them from sustaining themselves with food and clothing themselves with raiment without these documents. Therefore, as a deterrent to the evasion of the rationing arrangements the case is proved that they are of little or, at the best, of speculative value."

W S Morrison MP
posted by Irdial , 9:52 AM Þ 

LORD GODDARD, Willcock v. Muckle, 26 June 1951. Decision that led to Parliament's repeal of National ID card in 1952,

"it is obvious that the police now, as a matter of routine, demand the production of national registration indemnity cards whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for whatever cause. Of course, if they are looking for a stolen car or have reason to believe that a particular motorist is engaged in committing a crime, that is one thing, but to demand a national registration identity card from all and sundry, for instance, from a lady who may leave her car outside a shop longer than she should, or some trivial matter of that sort, is wholly unreasonable.

This Act was passed for security purposes, and not for the purposes for which, apparently, it is now sought to be used. To use Acts of Parliament, passed for particular purposes during war, in times when the war is past, except that technically a state of war exists, tends to turn law-abiding subjects into lawbreakers, which is a most undesirable state of affairs. Further, in this country we have always prided ourselves on the good feeling that exists between the police and the public and such action tends to make the people resentful of the acts of the police and inclines them to obstruct the police instead of to assist them [...]

Once more, for your consideration, a voice from the era when Britian was Britain!
posted by Irdial , 9:42 AM Þ 

Anger over identity cards

March 3, 2004 05:00

TOP councillor Harold Mangar today pledged to never carry an identity card – even if it becomes compulsory.

And he received backing for his stand against the controversial cards from an unlikely source – Suffolk's chief constable.

Their comments came just two weeks after Home Secretary David Blunkett launched the first trials of identity cards.

Mr Mangar – who is an executive member on the borough council, former chairman of the county council and is a member of Suffolk Police Authority – felt the introduction of identity cards would be like introducing a system like apartheid into this country.

"I will never carry one, they were used in South Africa against black people.

"As a black man I am disturbed by what my government is doing," he told a meeting of the Ipswich and Suffolk Council for Racial Equality (ISCRE).

Concerns about the proposed cards were also raised by Chief Constable Alastair McWhirter.

He said: "There is a concern that our first reaction will be to ask for identity cards rather than deal with the incident we are called for." [....]

Evening Star

My emphasis.
posted by Irdial , 9:23 AM Þ 

ID card plan fails grade

Huge amount spent on idea

OTTAWA -- The federal government has quietly dropped the controversial idea of developing a national ID card equipped with biometrics despite spending hundreds of thousands on the project, Sun Media has learned. The Commons immigration committee spent almost a year studying the issue and travelling the country consulting Canadians. It also went to Europe in

During its two-week European tour, the committee wanted to see similar cards in use, but discovered none of the countries it visited actually had national ID cards in use.

Immigration committee chairman Sarkis Assadourian told Sun Media the committee has no intention of producing its final report on the card because it's now studying the issue of foreign credentials.

"We were quite active and we prepared an interim report on (the national ID card and biometrics), but now we're focussing on the foreign credentials because national ID goes into security, it's not immigration anymore,"Assadourian said. [...]

All together now:

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
posted by Irdial , 9:20 AM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 12:08 AM Þ 
Sunday, April 25, 2004

posted by Alun , 9:57 PM Þ 

posted by Alun , 9:55 PM Þ 

without your 'presence'

Which means that people can engage in criminal activities in your identity, soiling it permanently, since it will be impossible to erase your records and start from fresh. Being permanently locked to one number is pure evil, and if people think that identity theft is bad now, the nature of trust in IDs will be such that the difficulty and trouble caused by misuse of these cards by criminals will be orders of magnitude greater than what it is now, on the rare occasions that it happens.
posted by Irdial , 8:23 PM Þ 

The thing about a biometric passport is the data stored on it is just code, which of course can be stolen and however good your government's encryption this will be broken - and if the stakes are high enough the 'evildoers' will put the time or money in - or at least 'legitimate' looking requests to the databases that depend on this information will be made and accepted.

And if your passport can be approved in your 'absence' i.e. without a bio-scan at the same time as it is requested (and at least this seems unpopular with the sheeple) then the code can be approved without your 'presence'
posted by meau meau , 7:11 PM Þ 

ldap:// is a searchable ldap of public keys as is ldap://, er it's a bit rusty search for 'gmail' there isn't that many

Oh just take the bloody thing:

Version: PGP 8.0.3 - not licensed for commercial use:

posted by meau meau , 6:16 PM Þ 

I went to get some isopropyl alchohol from a Boots chemists one day. The jackass behind the counter refused to sell me a bottle, because in his words, "I believe you are going to drink it".

If ID cards are introduced, Boots and the like are going to set up databases of purchases against ID cards presented. They will then be able to refuse to sell you something because, "you have bought too much of it this month"; and dont think that you can go to another chemist to get around Boots; all chemists will, by their own design or through legislation, belong to a group sharing and contributing to a single database of all purchases made and and the cards presented at the time of purchase in all chemists nationwide. They will use this to control what you buy, and to study your behaviour.

Just like the medicine cabinet in THX1138.

Dont believe for one second that this will be restricted to pharmacies. Last week I saw a man in Tescos, pushing a shopping trolley full of packets of all bran, being told tha he was not allowed to buy that many boxes at one time. He could buy ten, and if he wanted more than ten, he would have to make a special order, which would take thee days to process.

You fill in the blanks. These cards will be used to control what you buy. Its appaling. Then there is the matter of anyone with some bucks being able to see all the medicines you have ever bought, and then to extrapolate what illness you have bee suffering from. Great to craft insurance policies dont you think? Great to find out if new employees have problems with painkillers...or a nasty STD.
posted by Irdial , 6:11 PM Þ 

The Police State has been imposed on innocent children. In the UK. Right now.
But they're resisting.
No vote. No voice. But more balls than most.

The clever man speaks:
Michael Dawson, 30, a merchant seaman, sipped his lager in the Throstle's Nest pub, overlooking the Spar. "It's all wrong, this curfew," he insisted angrily. "They talk about Brussels, human rights . . . This is not fucking Baghdad, mate. This is Wigton.

"They're not solving the problem. They are evading it. They ought to provide something for the kids to do."

posted by Alun , 5:15 PM Þ 

"This isn't some sort of fetish. This is about recognising the massive change that's taken place in the world."

The world has not changed at all. This is a lie. What needs to be done is what the blind man cannot see, even though it is right in front of his face. Give up trying to control the whole world in conjunction with the USA. As we have seen, all attacks against the spanish have been forswarn by the Shia. Pull your troops out, stop interfering in the business of others and then no one will attack you again. A truce was offered to you but you rejected it. You obviously DESIRE war, and if there has been any change in the world it is this - western polititians desire conflict.

Mr Blunkett said the cards would stop terrorists from using multiple identities, which would help prevent attacks.

This is a lie. The one does not flow from the other. Blunkitt knows this, and he is lying when he says it, and he knows he is lying.

"That's what will be potentially possible and this will ensure that they can't have multiple identities."

This is a lie. see below.

"We'll be able to ensure that through true identity we can avoid clandestine entry and clandestine working."

This is a lie. Spain has universal compulsory ID and 800,000 illegal workers.

"This is about true identity: Being known, being checkable... in order to know who's in the country, what they're entitled to, and whether they're up to no good."

My true identity is not one that is prescribed by the state. I do not have to be checkable by the state at any time of the day, where ever I am. ID cards will not tell you who is in the country. It will not tell you what you are entitled to, because a card does not convey your rights to you. And certainly, most importantly, no card can tell you wether a person is up to no good or not. A card that could do that would be able to read your mind. Even a blind man knows that cant be done with a biometric scan. A card that could do that would be a mind fuck card silly rabbit!

BBC dishes out the propaganda

Government sources say that under the new proposals, carrying false identity papers will become a specific offence for the first time, with offenders facing up to 10 years in jail.

I have the absolute right to take my photograph and print it on a card along with any text that I choose to create. Any law that stops me from doing that violates my rights as a free person.
posted by Irdial , 3:24 PM Þ 

The clever ones out in force:

The problem is this. First we have the cards issued, and everything is nice and fluffy. No you don't have to carry it with you etc. etc.

How long before it's compulsory to carry the card?

How long before everyone's DNA is required and index linked to the card ID?

How long before it's illegal to not carry the card at all times?

Who can demand to see it? ("Papers please.") and when can it be asked for? ("Why are you out at this time of night? Papers please.")

How long before they are index linked to the IMEI of your mobile phone and periodic logs of your location taken and an easy to access system provided to civil servants?

How long before banks are required to log all your financial transactions provided in an easy to access system provided to civil servants?

How long before all your telephone, SMS, email and web access logs are indexed to your card and provided in an easy to access system to civil servants? (Note to Americans - all of the above is already logged by law under the RIPA Act and the government will be making available to bodies such as the Food Standards Agency and the local council).

How long before someone starts a side development to chip children (to protect them from all those pesky paedophiles) and integrate this with location technology to allow parents to see where they are at any time?

How long before it becomes law to have children chipped at birth? (don't forget the paedophiles!)

How long before it's illegal to remove the chips?

How long before someone gets the "bright idea" that they can be used instead of those pesky ID cards?

How long before we are treated like nothing more than cattle?

Either read Orwell's novel 1984 [] or bone up on database admin - both should leave you feeling concerned.

Slashdot again!
posted by Irdial , 3:03 PM Þ 

Someone clever said

There are many downsides to ID cards.

One attraction for Blunket is having fingerprints from everyone. Then it becomes easier to arrest people where you have a crime scene with a fingerprint.

Except it doesn't. Currently fingerprints are a major weapon in crime. If fingerprint evidence gets compromised, then a major weapon is lost.

One scenario is as follows. The DB is hacked. This is certain to happen. Even the UK government cannot keep people's heath records private. There were 200,000 known cases last year of medical records being fraudulantly obtained.

Secondly, the fingerprints get turned into gummy prints. Total cost less than 100 for the materials, plus photshop or an equivalent program.

Now you leave Tony Blairs fingerprints etc all over a crime scene.

When the Crime scene lot arrive, they have a very strong audit trail. They don't analyse the prints until later. It is very difficult to hide the fact you found Tony Blairs prints at the scene of crime. Particularly if the lawyer is tipped off to get the records of all possible matches from the prosecution.

The end result, fingerprint evidence is discreditied. A major weapon is lost. Every defence lawyer when presented with fingerprint evidence would bring up the case time and time again.

posted by Irdial , 2:41 PM Þ 

If anyone's interested I'm on the pgp ldap.

posted by Irdial , 2:31 PM Þ 

Have we mentioned that for a biometric passport to work your details must be accessible remotely from another country?

Under the current system, yes, but using my system no. In the distributed system using public key cryptography, only the public key of the passport signing authority needs to be distributed to every passport reading terminal.

will be exempted from having to show their faces

If this is the case, they any Christian that has a religious objection to being numbered in this system can opt out of the ID card, if not, it is a clear case of religious discrimination, since there is one rule for Muslims and another for Christians. Christians are well known for their understanding of numbers as expressed in the Holy Bible.
In Greece, a largely Orthodox country, Christians have protested against the introduction of European passports with magnetic strips. And now in Russia, where theories about the threat of a Western "global government" abound, fears of the bar code have found fertile ground.
From here.

I say that its high time the anti-ID card lobby in Australia, one of the coalition members, gets behind the anti-ID movement here and demonstrates how these measures are defeated in a democracy; by civil disobedience.
posted by Irdial , 2:28 PM Þ 

The ID system is going to be a complete farce

Thousands of Muslim women will be exempted from having to show their faces on identity cards as the Government moves to allay fears among British Muslims that the new cards will be used to target them in the 'war on terror'.

The Guardian reports
posted by meau meau , 11:40 AM Þ 

The concessions are disclosed in a leaked letter sent by Straw last week to cabinet colleagues. The foreign secretary writes: “I welcome the proposal for a super affirmative process. I welcome the qualification that the production of an ID card will not be mandatory for access to public and private sector services unless compulsory cards have been approved for UK citizens.

Blunkett has already stated that the legislation that he is proposing now is for compulsory cards, he is trying to obscure the issue by not having it compulsory to hold a card until his mythical figure of 80% is reached only in the sense that you will not be prosecuted for not holding one. Straw's 'qualification' only delays one of the impacts of an ID card until this figure is reached and that figure includes renewed passports and driving licences.

The process currently proposed is a compulsory process. If it is ratified by parliament that is the approval for compulsory cards. Now not in five years time, not in ten years time, NOW. That would give Blunkett the 'justification' to override whatever he has promised Straw by hastening the introduction of cards in the interests of Notional Security.


It's a shame that the concessions relate to the cards and not the databases behind them but it's a step in the right direction I suppose

Have we mentioned that for a biometric passport to work your details must be accessible remotely from another country?
posted by meau meau , 11:25 AM Þ 

Straw leads bid to wreck Blunkett ID card scheme

David Cracknell, Political EditorCABINET opponents of identity cards have succeeded in wresting concessions
that could prevent them from becoming compulsory, leaked cabinet papers
have revealed.
Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, is leading the bid to scupper plans by
the Home Office to make it compulsory to carry a card. He and several
colleagues have managed to put a triple block on the scheme ahead of its
launch tomorrow.

First, it will never be mandatory to carry a card and, second, it will
require a future vote in the Commons before police can require a member of
the public to produce one[...],,176-1086784,00.html

"tell your sister you were right about me"
posted by Irdial , 10:02 AM Þ 

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