Saturday, July 02, 2005

Nobody has nothing to hide

The "innocent have nothing to hide" cliche implies that it is only the guilty who wish to deceive, to be deeply secretive, when in fact the innocent also have plenty of valid reasons to wish to do so. Since it will be the commercial demands for the proof of identity that will bring about the practical and daily curtailment of freedom, the government will be able to hold up its hands in mock horror and say: "But we never insisted you show your ID card to join a health club or buy a TV set." Yeah, right.
[...]

Muriel Gray speaks sense.
posted by Alun , 6:04 PM Þ 
Friday, July 01, 2005

My concerns about ID cards...

This assumes the scenario that they will come into use.

Like many of the things I've decided not to get in the past, I'm concerned that society will change around me until my normal life can't easily be lived without one. Mobile phones, big brother on tv, computers, cars are all superfluous items that I don't need, but which I've ended up making use of in order to lead a quieter life. It's never been a case of "Wow, I'm glad I got/did that", just a case of "oh well, now I can do all the things everyone else can".

The driving force behind the popularity of these sort of things has often been the adoption of them first by a younger generation. They take them up, make them ubiquitous, and society changes. Maybe ID cards will become status symbols of being old enough to go into a pub/bar/VIP nightclub, and then all the binge-drinking kids will want them, and soon all the places to go out in the evening will require you to show them and it'll just be what happens when you go out. Then one day it'll be a case of having to get one because you just want to go out for a drink with some people from work who go out in town, and it won't be worth the hassle of not having one.

"I’m the ordinary middling kind that moves on when the policeman tells him"...
posted by captain davros , 6:34 PM Þ 

Who will come out to a remote farmhouse at 7:00pm to check whether or not our windows are open, to note the average cubic mesurement of the chunks of meat in the casserole ?
Noboby! That is why this kind of foolishness will FAIL! That is, unless Britain wants to hire half of its entire population as bylaw enforcers to establish a regular police state, draining it of every resource it has! That entire story sounded like a rather amusing Monty Python segment.

I am reminded of my trip to England last year, specifically when I was staying at the new house of my relatives. This was a very large house (by English standards - it was medium-size by Canadian standards), finished only last year mostly on my family's own labour. Throughout their building process they were incessantly hounded by bylaw enforcers telling them very specific things that they must build into the house. These were things like new, obsessively safe electrical regulations (I can sort-of see the reasoning behind this, but they were fairly ridiculous anyway) and handicap access. Handicap access! I do not understand how or why a government would enforce the building of what are in my mind completely optional things in someones PRIVATE dwelling. The amount of hoops my family had to leap through beggars belief. I also recall something to do with the amount of staircases in the house, and how they couldn't develop the attic because it made handicap access more difficult (somehow!!). Well, they developed the attic anyway, and the stairs that go to it are hidden upstairs and are to be brought out after the house's final inspection, so it looks as if the attic is unaccessible.
Totally stupid! I noticed many types of situations like this throughout my trip - completely normal things that the government has intervened upon, of anyone in their right mind could see are the business of private individuals.
What if I wanted to build an artistic house with incredibly difficult to ascend stairs? IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, because my stairs, which are to be incredibly difficult to ascend on principle, would be forced by these bylaw twerps to be accessible to all!
And of course the recourse by the government, as will all things, is exorbitant fines. So feasibly I could break all these bylaws but my house would probably end up costing twice as much. And where would that fine money go?

This has got me thinking about parking fines. How many people here agree with the concept of paying money to temporarily park your car? In north america there is a corporation called Impark that owns something like 90% of pay parking lots on the continent. Since they are private corporations, I believe they have no right to pursue fines at all, least of all to attempt to contact an "offender" at home (which they do to some people). Their huge parking lots in cultural centres of the city encourage people to NOT go out into the community, because no one wants to pay 10 bucks to park their car, and no one wants to deal with an irritating parking "ticket." In Alberta there is a law against corporations obtaining personal details like name and address so Impark's tickets are meaningless (though they would tow you if you continue to park in their lots - also ridiculous), there is no recourse for people in the United States. Impark is free to bring in a collection agency (ridiculous as well!) to totally mess up to poor "violator's" life.
This is similar in the case with the City of Edmonton, whom have parking meters all over downtown in the spaces that Impark does not own. The city is discouraging people from going downtown and doing business there simply because they threaten exorbitant fines for actually just GOING there and, since they are government, have an infrastructure to pursue these ridiculous fines under law.
Obviously there is some kind of line to draw because no one wants a lame-ass parking his rusty Plymouth Duster unmoved in the same spot for two weeks. But I think this could be pretty easily dealt with.
These kind of "business" plans, whose entire modus operandi is to FINE people for using "private" land, makes me sick.
posted by Barrie , 6:19 PM Þ 

Civil Disobedience

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Desobediencia Civil - Spanish translation by Hernando Jiménez


While Walden can be applied to almost anyone's life, "Civil Disobedience" is like a venerated architectural landmark: it is preserved and admired, and sometimes visited, but for most of us there are not many occasions when it can actually be used. Still, although it is seldom mentioned without references to Gandhi and King, "Civil Disobedience" has more history than many suspect. In the 1940's it was read by the Danish resistance, in the 1950's it was cherished by people who opposed McCarthyism, in the 1960's it was influential in the struggle against South African apartheid, and in the 1970's it was discovered by a new generation of anti-war activists. The lesson learned from all this experience is that Thoreau's ideas really do work, just as he imagined they would.

"Civil Disobedience" in three parts: One - Two - Three

(Originally published as "Resistance to Civil Government")

"I became convinced that noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. No other person has been more eloquent and passionate in getting this idea across than Henry David Thoreau. As a result of his writings and personal witness, we are the heirs of a legacy of creative protest." - Martin Luther King, Jr, Autobiography, Chapter 2

Did Thoreau change his mind later? Because this essay is often associated with passive civil disobediance, some have assumed that Thoreau's later support of John Brown was a change from his earlier position. But Michael J. Frederick, in "Transcendental Ethos: Thoreau’s Philosophy & Antebellum Reform," explains why this was not the case.

Was Tolstoy influenced by Thoreau? Lawrence Rosenwald, in a footnote for The Theory, Practice, and Influence of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience, points out that "Tolstoy is actually a questionable case ... Passages from Thoreau, like passages from Emerson, turn up in Tolstoy's A Circle of Reading, and Tolstoy sometimes refers to Thoreau, but almost always as part of a formulaic list including Adin Ballou, Emerson, William Lloyd Garrison, and Theodore Parker."

"when, in the mid-1950's, the United States Information Service included as a standard book in all their libraries around the world a textbook of American literature which reprinted Thoreau's 'Civil Disobedience,' the late Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin succeeded in having that book removed from the shelves — specifically because of the Thoreau essay." - Walter Harding, in The Variorum Civil Disobedience

Much more information: Links to other "Civil Disobedience" sites

"Civil Disobedience" originated as a Concord Lyceum lecture delivered by Thoreau on January 26, 1848. It was published as "Resistance to Civil Government," in May of 1849, in Elizabeth Peabody's Aesthetic Papers, a short-lived periodical that never managed a second issue. The modern title comes from Yankee in Canada, with Anti-Slavery and Reform Papers, an 1866 collection of Thoreau's work. It's not known if Thoreau ever used the term "civil disobedience."


Copyright © 2005 Richard Lenat, All Rights Reserved

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http://eserver.org/thoreau/civil.html

posted by Irdial , 3:16 PM Þ 

fai da te

This is the inevitable result of legislation painting out every single aspect of life so that even the most simple things become burdened by the law. The weight of it becomes so great that everything collapses and people simply don't bother to obey anymore.

People have the absolute right to transact privately for any purpose that doesnt hurt anyone else. If I want to open my house and charge friends for food and drink and music that is entirely my business and the business of whomever I invite into my private house.

Now obviously, if I start to disturb my neighbors with terrible drunken noise every night, I am harming someone else, and that is wrong, but in absentia of any disturbance or harm, this is my right, and no one can tell me that I cannot smoke in my own house, have people in my house and charge them for being there, eatiing food or drinking drink, have them smoke there p;aying music there and doing whatever I and my friends want. It's no one's business, plain and simple.

Let the restaurant trade all over the west die a death to be replaced with 18th century style eating in private 'unregulated' dining clubs. To hell with the health and safety regulations; I will only eat with people I trust anyway; they can't possibly police every piece of meat that goes into a dish, and so these people are simply filling an artificial need created by legislation. We can do without them, and the extra cost they incur which is passed on to everyone as a stealth tax as decent people struggle to conform to pointless regulations.

Why do you think that the prices in the
'fai da te' are around ten pounds? When you strip away all the nonsense, all the regulatoins and taxes, that is how much you can charge people for a meal and still make money!

This gives everyone (with a working imagination) a glimpse into what the world could be like with a stripped back government whose only job is to clean the streets and maintain public utilities that are owned by everyone equally. In that world, you can survive, nay, thrive on a small amount of money, leaving you free to be creative and fulfilled...leaving you free.

I adore stories like this and the underground cinema of Paris. People saying (if even obliquely in the Paris case) 'enough is enough' the camels back is broken...go to hell.

I'm sure you have all heard that Italy is planning to ditch the Euro and peg a revived Lira to the Dollar.

If Europe had been started around the rights of the individual, its momentum would have been unstoppable and its cohesion unbreakable. What we got instead is a union designed by and for the benefit of beaurocrats and industry. In a space where the population is highly educated (unlike the usa) it is impossible to keep up a blantant fraud like Europe forever. This is why it is dissintegrating.

Cheese, bananas vitamins and sausages...they all choked the European experiment to death.
posted by Irdial , 1:24 PM Þ 

Anthony, the secrets of cooking:

The venues are kept secret to bamboozle the police, and the guests are told where to go by text message. But the latest underground movement sweeping Italy has nothing to do with drugs or dance music: it is fuelled by home-made sausages, mouth-watering risottos and freshly baked bread.

Fed up with the high cost of eating out, and the recent ban on smoking in restaurants, Italians have taken to organising illegal private meals, charging €15 (around £10) a head for parties of up to 40 people.

The authorities have taken a dim view of the practice - known as fai da te, or do it yourself - because the hosts avoid paying taxes and sidestep health and safety rules that restaurant owners have to abide by. It is also illegal to charge people for food cooked in your own home. However, that has not stopped the movement.

Guardian
posted by meau meau , 12:25 PM Þ 

People live and accept government-imposed restrictions

The environmental health officer visited us today. As of next year, if you provide people with a meal, you will have to keep records of how you create each meal that you might provide.

For instance, how large the chunks of meat in the casserole are, whether you turn over the chicken while roasting it, how long you cook the meal etc.

While preparing food, if we have the windows open, we must have fly screens in place. Of course, if we keep the windows closed, the screens do not need to be in place. The officer winked as he informed us of this particular rule.

This is largely bullshit. Will we be policed ? Who will come out to a remote farmhouse at 7:00pm to check whether or not our windows are open, to note the average cubic mesurement of the chunks of meat in the casserole ?
posted by a hymn in g to nann , 12:00 PM Þ 



Lookalikes: Dale Winton & Mother
posted by meau meau , 11:39 AM Þ 

How completely insulting.

"You have hate. You have anger...but you don't use them"

Who the fuck do these people think they are?

These people, much more than 'the man in the street', know precisely who and what they are. Thats is how they can giggle as they dismantle the west while people actually applaud as it is being done.
posted by Irdial , 10:09 AM Þ 

What would happen if this same tactic would be applied to smoking? drinking? Eating meat? Aspirin? Back-pain drugs? Cooking herbs? Coffee? Tea? Land?

It already does, B. With all those things. People live and accept government-imposed restrictions on their personal liberty and consumer choices every day. In the UK...

Public smoking ban coming in.
Ridiculous licensing laws.
BSE farce.
Limited size of aspirin packs. Limit to 2 packs per person.
Prescription medicines.
Despicable trade restrictions and subsidies.
Land? Well, where the US leads....
posted by Alun , 9:17 AM Þ 

Ah yes; this fits in with just about everything we are currently concerned about.
Aha! I understand what you are trying to say. Thanks.
This applies to the vitamin thing as well, which, upon very first reading, already smacks as being mind-bogglingly stupid (how often do I use this expression?). This bill is saying, in effect, that people are too stupid to decide for themselves and since a few people who are somehow "more important" think that vitamins are bad, the stupid people should not be allowed to have them.
What would happen if this same tactic would be applied to smoking? drinking? Eating meat? Aspirin? Back-pain drugs? Cooking herbs? Coffee? Tea? Land?
How completely insulting. Who the fuck do these people think they are?
posted by Barrie , 1:28 AM Þ 
Thursday, June 30, 2005

http://www.livingstonemusic.net/statespy.htm

Are you a spy for the state?
posted by Irdial , 6:34 PM Þ 

Blair opposes EU's directive to outlaw up to 5,000 vitamins

Published: 30 June 2005

Up to 5,000 vitamin and food supplements could be swept from the shelves of health-food shops under an EU directive due to come into force on 1 August.

Campaigners warn that despite a European ruling that the Food Supplements Directive is illegal, an amended version could be used to ban products used by a third of British women and a quarter of men.

Tony Blair, who raised the issue in talks with EU leaders this month, is known to oppose the directive on the grounds that consumers should be free to choose and the state should not interfere in products that do not cause harm. "He is driven on this by his anti-regulation instincts. But he is probably also influenced by Cherie," a source said.

Cherie Blair is reportedly a user of vitamins and supplements and her former personal assistant Carole Caplin campaigns on the issue.

Opponents of the directive say the Government is leaving it too late to influence the European Commission before a ruling by the European Court of Justice on 12 July.

Jenny Seagrove, the actress, said: "In the past fortnight we have heard new evidence about ibuprofen's link with heart attacks, yet here we have vitamins and supplements being swept off the shelves that never harmed anybody. Who is going to benefit when the supplements market shrinks? The pharmaceutical companies. "

Sue Croft, of Consumers for Health Choice, said: "We can't sit and wait for the EU Commission to make a decision. We need to persuade them now. The Government promised before the election that it did not want to see products lost that were legitimately on the market. There are 200 nutrients and nutrient sources that could be banned, affecting 5,000 products."

The EU directive is designed to tighten controls on the market for products sold as natural remedies, vitamin supplements and health foods. Instead of allowing a vitamin or mineral to be sold unless it has been proved harmful, the directive insists that only those proved safe can be sold. Permissible doses will also be capped.

The directive approves 140 substances for use in supplements – fewer than half of those in use. Substances can be added to the list only if a scientific dossier has been compiled and approved by the European Food Safety authority. That would cost from £80,000 to £250,000 per product.

In April the Advocate-General at the European Court of Justice, Leendert Geelhoed, declared the directive illegal. He found that the procedure for adding supplements to the approved list was confusing and said the directive had "the transparency of a black box". But he said the principle of an approved list conforms to EU law.

The directive was approved by EU governments in 2002 and manufacturers given until the end of July 2005 to prove their ingredients safe. More than 300 doctors and scientists wrote a letter of protest to Tony Blair, one million people signed a petition, and there were motions opposing the law from both the Commons and the Lords. [...]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article295756.ece

What will happen next is that from August 1st, we will be gettting spam for Solgar products as well as Viagra, and someone in the united states is going to make millions fulfilling mail order for these products.

If any of my vitamins come off of the market because of this, I will be ordering them from outside the EU, or even better, buying them from a pharmacist that is flaunting these absurd regulations.

You are allowed to consume as many food preservatives as companies can pump into food without changing its taste, you can drink yourself into an alcoholic stupor, indeed, until you die, all without regulation, BUT vitamins you cannot take? I think not.

Oh yes, and Bliar is full of shit.

posted by Irdial , 12:34 PM Þ 

"When you have institutions, know where their functions should end. Knowing when to stop, you can avoid any danger."

Tao Te Ching

Ah yes; this fits in with just about everything we are currently concerned about.
posted by Irdial , 12:17 PM Þ 

has anyone seen the Independent's excreable new page design?

Hmmmm, maybe if took less time to download on an ADSL connection than anything else on a 9600 modem I could give an impartial opinion.

That typeface is an Avant Garde Light of some description, the 0 looks modified an the 1 has a shorter stub than what I've seen.

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Abortion seems to be in the headlines again and the Today programme again trotted out the wonderful stories of early pregnancy babies' survival, the problem with this comparison is that the parents of these babies want their offspring to survive, those wanting a late-stage abortion presumably do not. More evidence of the programme's Catholic editorilal bias.

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Simon Jenkins talks
about over-centralisation of UK State and government interventionism
posted by meau meau , 11:23 AM Þ 

"The world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life" - Aunt Ida

I actually thought of your post before I blogged the news, Akin - and I still take heart what you say about an independent form of marriage.

Independent from what? I presume you mean independent from the state.

But I see no reason why your idea of marriage (which is a better idea, IMO) cannot exist at the same time as state-sponsored marriage.

It could, but ideally marriage is a private affair between adults and should have nothing to do with the sate. If both forms are running concurrently, you will have one set of marriages that exist under one legal basis, and another set that exist under a separate basis. Either way, both types would have to be defined in the law, which is where this trouble started; who has the right to define what marriage is? That people should be married at all comes from religious belief, and it should be left up to you your partner and what you both belive in. A non secular state should not therefore, be certifying marriages, since this is a religious and private matter.

This is why autorities in some jurisdictions are now 'getting out of the marriage business', which is a good thing; everybody goes to get married in their own way, with their own pre nuptial agreements and arrangements which they then have to live by. You should be able to go to whatever church or temple or tall tree you can find, find someone that will marry you, and be married there. I myself have married a couple who did not want to go to church to do it. It happened at a special picknic, eleven years ago. They are still married.

What I find fascinating, actually, sickening, is that types of persons, fatally inured to authority, desire to be certified in their personal affiars by the state. They cannot easily explain why this is advantageous because there are other ways in which they can get what they need, they 'just want to be like everyone else', when in fact, NOT being like everyone else makes them free.

This is not only just about marriage either: it is about confirming that homosexual people can do the exact same things heterosexual people can do under law, regardless of the whether state-sponsored marriage is a good idea or not (ie: this would trickle down to adoption law because the rights of homosexuals have been confirmed and a precedent has been set).

Actually, all of this business started because the partners left behind in same sex unions where one partner is dead have found themselvs disinherited because the union has no status in law. This has nothing at all to do with 'confirming that homosexual people can do the exact same things heterosexual people can do under law'. Confirming to who? The next leader of the Tory party is Gay. You can be gay and do what anyone else does, you have the same rights as everyone else. There are anti-discrimination laws spelling this out very clearly. Laws are not passed to prove things to people, they are passed to do very specific things and only those things, and the precedents in law only apply to specific areas and dont 'cross contaminate'. If the people who passed this legislation are thinking like this then they are in error.

Everyone, gay or not, has the same property rights. If people organize their estates properly, there is no need for a state recognition of 'gay marriage' and this is actually advantageous to same sex couples because they can then write their own rules and live their lives exactly the way that they want outside of the control of the destructive divorce laws. Now, thanks to this legislation, they have to obey the rules of divorce and everything associated with the 'sick and boring life'. Anyone who would want to entangle themselves in this way ... doesn't get my sympathy.

Whether or not people want the state in their affairs is their own business.

No it absolutely is not. In order for people to choose to have the state in their affairs, the state has to enact legislation that affects everyone, and not just the total idiots that are begging to have the state in their affairs. You cannot say that some people want biometric passports / ID cards, and so they should have them, because everyone gets swept up in the mess and also has to pay for it to happen. Thats pretty obvious.

The state should be out of peoples private business, especially business like certifying marriage. They should no more be doning this than they should (have) be(en) able to write 'bastard' on a birth certificate.

Of course, the legal status of children is another reason why marriage is now entangled in the state and it is all to do with property rights, inheritance and peoples estates and titles.

Its interesting that in France, where
primogeniture was outlawed in favour of equal splits between siblings, the birth rate went down dramatically because people didn't want their estates to be broken up into many pieces and also they did not want raging arguments between siblings when the parents have died. Having more children penalized the future of your family.

This is what happens when the state gets involved in people's most private business. The anti
primogeniture laws in France have been a total disaster for that country, and onlly now are they being totally re-written so that people can have more power to arrange their own affairs, and well, France can be full of the French.
posted by Irdial , 9:19 AM Þ 

I actually thought of your post before I blogged the news, Akin - and I still take heart what you say about an independent form of marriage.
But I see no reason why your idea of marriage (which is a better idea, IMO) cannot exist at the same time as state-sponsored marriage. This is not only just about marriage either: it is about confirming that homosexual people can do the exact same things heterosexual people can do under law, regardless of the whether state-sponsored marriage is a good idea or not (ie: this would trickle down to adoption law because the rights of homosexuals have been confirmed and a precedent has been set). Whether or not people want the state in their affairs is their own business.
However, there could be more done to publicise the alternative; the state is never the only way, after all.
At least that is what I think.
posted by Barrie , 3:09 AM Þ 

I wrote about this marriage business before.

These people are cRaZy to push for this legislation. Talk about running into the path of a pyroclastic flow....you know what I mean!!
posted by Irdial , 1:44 AM Þ 
Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Mr Clarke dismissed as "fantastic" claims that people could be charged up to £300 for an ID card. He said they would cost £25-£30 more than the projected £63 cost of new biometric passports. He said he was prepared to limit the cost of a card. He also raised "the possibility of cheaper cards for poorer citizens which many of my colleagues have pressed as necessary."

So that would mean 90lb or so per person. For EVERYONE. Does anyone really think the gov't will bother lowering the price for "the poorer" when it would have the opportunity to fleece everyone to the maximum extent? Please! *clunk*
Of course the real "price" would not be the 90 quid, but the collar 'round your neck. I would die before I would pay anyone for this (dis)service. Even if the gov't GAVE you money, this would be a ridiculously bad deal.
I find it mindboggling that anyone could be so stupid and clueless as to vote in favour of this. There are 314 idiots in the House.

(btw, has anyone seen the Independent's excreable new page design? Barf!)
posted by Barrie , 8:13 PM Þ 

Same-sex bill finally passes
After bitter two-year political battle, divisive legislation moves to Senate

Ottawa — Canada is on its way to becoming the third country in the world to openly embrace homosexual marriage after the House of Commons gave its final approval last night to a bill that changes the definition to include same-sex couples.

The historic 158-133 vote capped an intense and divisive two-year Commons battle that maintained its political drama to the end, as Liberal minister Joe Comuzzi resigned from cabinet yesterday because he could not support his government's move.

Réal Ménard, a gay Bloc Québécois MP who has been one of the leading proponents of the bill within his party and within Parliament, said the vote was extremely important. "If you are gay, [no matter] who you are, whatever are your rights, you have the right to be in love," he said as his eyes welled with tears. "And I am very proud today for what we have done."

....

I was in the coffee shop this morning and read this headline with "The Times They Are A'Changin'" in my ears. It's a good day! I am so glad that this bill has passed, and we can move on to other things. I know there are many citizens that are unhappy with this decision, they would prefer that "these kinds of relationships" stay hidden, scorned. To what end? We've done this for centuries, and it's time open our definitions. There is much to learn here about relationships, love, and innovative wedding parties! I am curious to see how the culture shifts with this decision. We've already seen developments in the wedding industry and in television, but I wonder how this will play out in the smaller communities in Canada, where minimizing difference will certainly have an effect.

Added: HA! Barrie, you beat me to it!
posted by mary13 , 6:21 PM Þ 

I tried to make a post about the previous story last night, but Blogger was acting up and apparently deleted the post (even though I saw it published for a short second), but I figured this tale of our Premier's bigotry is more interesting anyway. Does he not realize he's lost and has no power over federal politics, no matter how he kicks and whines? Just because Alberta has TEH OI-UL, doesn't mean it has special importance over the other Provinces.

Alberta may stop solemnizing marriages: Klein

Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has suggested that his province may get out of the marriage business altogether in the wake of the passage of same-sex marriage legislation in the House of Commons Tuesday.

Alberta Premiere Fascisto Ralph Klein. (File photo)

Klein was meeting with his members of the provincial legislature Wednesday morning to decide how to continue the fight against same-sex marriage.
But he acknowledged Tuesday that he had few options.
''There are no legal weapons. There's nothing left in the arsenal,'' Klein said. ''We're out on a lurch.''
Klein repeated that using the notwithstanding clause is not an option because the definition of marriage falls under federal jurisdiction, and the province can't affect that.
Instead, Klein proposed that the province might withdraw from sanctioning marriages and just recognize civil unions, leaving marriage to religious orders.
''We simply wouldn't be involved in the solemnization of marriage,'' he said.
The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation passed final reading Tuesday night, sailing through in a 158-133 vote.

FROM JUNE 28, 2005: Same-sex marriage law passes 158-133

posted by Barrie , 6:09 PM Þ 
posted by Irdial , 4:10 PM Þ 

Mr Clarke insisted ID cards would act as a “bulwark against the Big Brother society,” providing “real benefits to the individual and society” by limiting the scope for identity theft.

Doublespeak. Night is day, hot is cold, the truth is a lie.

“I argue that the identity card has real benefits to the individual and society and the ID card is a means of limiting abuse in our modern information society, rather than a means of adding to it ... “It gives individuals the right to secure verification of their identity.”

This beast, this nobody, this wrecker of Great Britian doesn't understand what a right is. A right exists wether government enacts legislation or not, as Dumbo will soon find out.

As for 'secure verification of their identity' this is simple nonsense. The system is insecure by design, registering in it will make your 'identity' more insecure, as many people who understand what is being planned have pointed out in plain english, with an abundance of evidence.

For generations the British have been able to transact without the system that is being planned, or anything like it. We can and will live without it.

There are more stages to go through before this monumental disaster is solidified, but one thing is perfectly clear; thirty one people cannot be the tipping balance to enslave the entire nation. Nothing short of a 2/3rds majority referendum of the entire nation should be required to change the nature of the relationship between government and the people in such a fundamental way.

Should this nonsense become law, be assured of this; you have no obligation whatsoever to obey and enroll in this terrible project, just as soldiers are not obliged to follow orders to kill non combatants and commit atrocities at the behest of command. And yes, there is no difference.

You do not have to obey these laws. You should not obey these laws. Tell everyone you know that you will not be doing it. Make sure that you sign the pledge. One way or another, this project will fail and it will all burn.
posted by Irdial , 9:15 AM Þ 
Tuesday, June 28, 2005
posted by Irdial , 6:49 PM Þ 

Does anyone know what typeface "1945-1990" is set in on the poster below? I'm always looking for nice sturdy sans-serif faces and I can't remember what this one is called.

Poster From Here.
posted by Barrie , 5:58 PM Þ 

The last week or so I've been getting mild psycho-kinetic feelings from listening to techno/electronic music and most certainly *without* drugs. A kind of a shifting sands sort of feeling, kind of a cross between cannabis wearing off and the empty feeling you have the day after drinking a bottle of vodka. Needless to say it's quite odd even though it's very mild.
Not sure what brought it on but I hope it stays for a while. If it gets any stranger I'll see if I can get a job at the Independent.
posted by meau meau , 1:52 PM Þ 

A lurker emailed this:

Walking the Streets

A Traffic Wardens Diary

Seriously guys; anyone who believes that ID cards are a good idea needs their head read. In IT terms it’s a disaster waiting to happen. For the money wasting bureaucrats it's a dream come true. For the rest of us a nightmare. [...]

http://parkingattendant.blogspot.com/

hmmm, and one Jamie Vivid comments:

"but nobody cares"

We dont care about what you do in Germany, or that you are willing to live in a police state; that has absolutely nothing to do with the people of the United Kingdom.

The first german resident in these comments said 'where's the problem?' The problem is very clearly explained everywhere you care to look, most recently in the report created by the LSE, which no doubt, you have not read or even heard about.

The Belgians, the Germans and all people who are inured to ID cards talk about them in a way that feels like they want other people to give up what they have given up, just because they have had to do so, "who do you think you are that you can live like free men whilst we cannot?" is the gist of all their comments. The people who are for ID cards are almost always computer illiterates and unaware of the true nature of identity theft. Either way, I totally discount and reject the idea that the British have to live in a certain way just because people in other countries do so. This is completely absurd and insulting; should we all live under Sharia law if the Germans decide to do so? I think not, and this is not a bad analogy, because when Turkey joins the EU there will be elements of thieir law that, using the 'its ok for us so it is for you' thinkers logic, should be brought into UK law simply because thats the way it is in Turkey.

No one with any self respect is for ID cards and the compulsion to carry one whenever they leave their house. Its simply a violation of your right to travel and interact freely. Those that have lost this right or who never had it or who do not understand what human rights are, can see that the sky has not fallen because they have ID cards, yet, they are dehumanized nonetheless. You can get used to any situation; just ask the people from the former soviet union or the former east germany. They are so inured to being slaves that they want those bad sytems back because they are familiar and comforting.

I will not register for this ID card should it pass into law, and I do not know a single other person who will do so either.

Once again, if you live in Germany and like that sort of dehumanized system, you are free to live there and to suffer it for your entire life. We on the other hand, do not want to be dehumanized, and will not suffer this ID card being foisted upon us.

Finally, have you not understood the part of the post saying that the UK Government wants to sell ID card data to private companies to fund the system? Just how low have you sunk living there in Germany, that you cannot see that this is a fleecing operation pure and simple? They changed the reasons for briinging in an ID card from stopping terrorism to stopping identity fraud, and now, at the end the TRUE reason is leaked; private companies are pushing for this so that they can fleece the populations data from a single vendor.

Only the most stupid and slave minded fool would think that this is 'not a
And they cut him off!!
posted by Irdial , 1:40 PM Þ 

No government department has argued for identity cards in the US on grounds of
combating identity theft.263 In fact, the dominant argument is that a national ID card in
the US would make identity theft more of a problem because of the centralisation of
personal information it would entail.264 This argument was supported by the theft of
personal data from three state ID issuing agencies over a two month period.265 In one
case, the criminals stole blank licenses, along with an equal number of laminated covers
with state seals, a digital license camera, a desktop computer and a license printer.266

In the US, the Social Security Number has become an identity hub and a central
reference point to index and link identity.267 Obtaining a person’s SSN provides a single
interface with that person’s dealings with a vast number of private and public bodies.
There have been countless cases of identity thefts that were enabled by first obtaining
the SSN. It is arguable that the existence and ease of obtaining the SSN and its
importance across private and public databases is the reason why the level of identity
theft in the US is extremely high. This situation applies equally in Australia where the
introduction of an extensive Tax File Number has also increased the incidence of
identity theft beyond the levels experienced in the UK.268

Consumer groups in the US have recently criticised the Senate Banking Committee for
failing to take action to reverse this trend. The Consumers Union argues that identity
theft will continue to rise until the relationship between the SSN and the publication of
personal details in the finance sector can be reduced.269

In the United States, Blue Cross and Blue Shield recently decided to discard the use of
Social Security numbers in order to reduce identity theft. Between April 1 and the end
of the year, all of the insurance company's members will be given new ID numbers and
new ID cards containing those numbers.270

As a result, Identity Cards with a new global unique identifier are not considered a
reasonable solution to the challenges faced in the US. Rather, the measures that are
promoted to combat identity theft include promoting the reporting of the crime to
authorities (which only 25% of victims do), and notifying credit bureaus (only 37%
have). [...]

From the report.

Now really, there is no way on earth that this legislation should be passed taking into account only this section of the report, since the UK proposal hinges upon the creation of a unique number issued to each person.

Thinking aobut it, prevention of identity theft is reason alone to refuse to register for the card.

This report says what everyone has been saying all along, the question is, will they pay attention to it in parliament, and if the answer to that is 'no' will the public refuse to register as an act of self interest.

The bit before these paragraphs talked about the sorts of identity theft surrounding banking and credit. The companies who offer credit need to take responsibility for their own security; as we have seen over the last few months they are useless at it. They need to suffer the conseqences of fraud (losses) and should not be looking to government to put a band-aid on the shotgun wound that is their poor security.
posted by Irdial , 10:34 AM Þ 


Futura is one of the best typefaces ever.
I have been intensely working with it since September. The way it conforms with the Golden Section is amazing. There is also something about its impartiality that attracts me; it could be seen as commanding but looks neutral enough to be almost passive. It's edgy enough to take nothing away from the words themselves.
It also seems to know what 23 means.
Truly one of the greatest works of art of the 20th century.
posted by Barrie , 7:22 AM Þ 
Monday, June 27, 2005

Quote 3:

...a failure could have a substantial and wide ranging impact. According to a Home Office Minister, “ID cards and the national register would be right at the centre of the wheel, and a whole range of spokes could be built up around it to meet a broader vision.”...



HMP Strangeways
posted by meau meau , 4:22 PM Þ 

Quote 2:

...Immigration Checks

On the issue of immigration checks, figures are more difficult to obtain. There are reports that immigration officials have apprehended individuals on public transport in order to ascertain their immigration status. Although this practice began in London, it is spreading nationwide...
those arrested included 717 failed asylum seekers but thousands more people have been stopped and questioned by immigration staff using powers which the police are banned from using.”...
A later article published in the New Statesman in November 2004 revealed that such stops are usually initiated under the guise of ticket inspections, but once apprehended, a suspect is subjected to questioning by immigration officials. Official policy on this practice is difficult to locate, although each of these stops should be fully recorded. Immigration officials are not subject to the same reporting procedures as police officers, and the Home Office has stated that: “the data is not collated centrally because it is
impractical and expensive”.


(I didn't pick this quote for the last sentence but it is quite amazing isn't it. For some reason a centralised collation/database of 'bad news about policing' is impractical and expensive, yet for the entire population and for far more irrelevant information it is some great idea.)

Such “street operations”, as the Home Office has named them, are joint police and immigration operations. According to one ticket inspector, the officials target ethnic minorities, notably Asian people or those of Eastern European origin...
The nature of the spot checks seems to be highly intrusive and individuals have been detained for ‘up to forty minutes’ in public, while their
details are checked and their fingerprints taken on the new portable scanners... white Australians, New Zealanders or South Africans are not affected by these “street operations”, which gives a clear indication of the racial bias.

...

If a person of Asian origin has the option of carrying an ID card or being subject to 40 minute ‘verifications’, then the description ‘voluntary’ becomes meaningless. The introduction of identity cards, whether mandatory to carry at all times or not, will enshrine and condone random, racially based stop-checking
posted by meau meau , 2:17 PM Þ 

All identity systems carry consequential dangers as well as potential benefits.
Depending on the model used, identity systems may create a range of new and
unforeseen problems. These include the failure of systems, unforeseen financial costs,
increased security threats and unacceptable imposition on citizens. The success of a
national identity system depends on a sensitive, cautious and cooperative approach
involving all key stakeholder groups including an independent and rolling risk
assessment and a regular review of management practices. We are not confident that
these conditions have been satisfied in the development of the Identity Cards Bill. The
risk of failure in the current proposals is therefore magnified to the point where the
scheme should be regarded as a potential danger to the public interest and to the legal
rights of individuals. [...]

The introduction of a national identity system will herald a significant shift in Britain’s
social and economic environment. Many fundamental concepts such as privacy,
anonymity and the individual’s accountability to government will be repositioned. The
potential for merging, matching and sharing of personal information across the private
and public sector will be made possible. For better or worse, the relationship between
the individual and the State will change. [...]

There is no evidence to support the use of identity fraud as a justification for the current
identity card model. Many of the claims made about the prevalence of identity fraud are
without foundation. A card system such as the one proposed in the Bill may even lead to
a greater incidence of identity fraud.

The Government seems intent on pointing to international obligations and precedents to
justify the introduction of a national identity card. Our research indicates that a national
identity card need not resemble the one that the Government is proposing, nor is any
nation under an obligation to create such a card. Indeed, no other country has done so
with such a pretext. [...]

The proposed system unnecessarily introduces, at a national level, a new tier of
technological and organisational infrastructure that will carry associated risks of failure.
A fully integrated national system of this complexity and importance will be
technologically precarious and could itself become a target for attacks by terrorists or
others. [...]

In its current form, the Identity Cards Bill appears to be unsafe in law. A number of
elements potentially compromise Article 8 (privacy) and Article 14 (discrimination) of
the European Convention on Human Rights.

Because of the difficulty that some individuals may face in registering or verifying their
biometrics there is a potential conflict with national laws such as the Disability
Discrimination Act and the Race Relations Act.

The proposals appear to be in direct conflict with the Data Protection Act. Many of
these conflicts arise from the creation of a national identity register, which will contain
a substantial amount of personal data, some of which would be highly sensitive. The
amount of information contained in the register, the purposes for which it can be used,
the breadth of organisations that will have access to the Register and the oversight
arrangements proposed are contentious aspects. [...]

The Government has consistently asserted that that biometrics proposals, both in the
new UK passport format and in the identity cards legislation, is a harmonising measure
required by international obligations, and is thus no different to the plans and intentions
of the UK’s international partners. There is no evidence to support this assertion.

We find that the Government is unnecessarily binding the identity card scheme to
internationally recognised requirements on passport documents. By doing so, the
Government has failed to correctly interpret international standards, generating
unnecessary costs, using untested technologies and going well beyond the measures
adopted in any other country that seeks to meet international obligations. Even in
countries with identity cards, numerous safeguards prevent the development of a system
similar to the one proposed here. We were unable to identify any country that
established identity cards through an open parliamentary process. [...]

This report concludes that the proposals currently being considered by Parliament do
not represent the most appropriate, secure, cost effective or practical identity system for the United Kingdom. The system outlined by the legislation appears unlikely therefore
to achieve its stated objectives. [....]

And there you have the gist of it.

The question as always is, "what is to be done?". We have seen how this government refuses to listen to anyone, and so with this report too as with all the others, they are sure to ignore any advice that does not concur with their plans.

We know that this is a terrible idea; now all that is left is how do we make sure that the plans are utterly destroyed and forever taken off of the table?
posted by Irdial , 1:22 PM Þ 

you can download the LSE ID card report here

-

Choice Quote 1:

...debate is a rare occurrence. The identity systems of many countries have been
inherited from prior regimes of a completely different kind: under Franco in Spain,
registration by a Nazi Government, national ID numbers by the Vichy regime in France,
national registration by the Church in Sweden, unstable governments in Greece, and
Mussolini in Italy...
posted by meau meau , 11:09 AM Þ 
Sunday, June 26, 2005

The case is unproven, but ID cards are worth a try

26 June 2005

No liberal can feel comfortable with the idea of the state requiring law-abiding citizens to have their fingerprints taken and stored on a national register. Some people may be surprised, therefore, that this newspaper does not oppose the Identity Cards Bill currently going through the House of Commons. When people say that they object to identity cards on principle, it is often difficult for them to say what that principle is. It cannot be that we should never be obliged to prove to the authorities that we are who we say we are. The questions that matter are when the state has the right to demand to know our identity, for what purposes and what it does with the information it holds on us. [...]

http://comment.independent.co.uk/leading_articles/story.jsp?story=649698

This has to take the prize for the most stupid headline of the year.

The case is unproven, but its "worth a try"???!!!

If we were talking about a new experimental medicine to be compulsorily injected into every man woman and child in the country, would it be acceptable to say that its 'worth a try'...'suck it and see' ???

The Independent, whose cover is constantly plastered with false articles about proportional representation, the erosion of rights, the lies of the Iraq invasion, now proposes that its 'ok' to use the whole UK population in a dangerous, commercially driven, useless and damaging experiment (which the punters will have to pay for).

I want to smoke the crack that they are smoking.

And what if, you stupid idiots, it (by any measure) 'doesnt work'? Will the hundreds of databases, both private and public, be purged of all the data in them? Will the government willingly give up its system of complete surveillance and control?

Of course they will not. Once this Pandora's box is opened, thats it for everyone who was stupid enough to register. Short of a revolution, nothing will be able to completely dismantle all the databases and purge alll the scans NIRs and other information that has both leaked and been deliberately sold.

I simply cannot believe the ignorance, illiteracy and flat out stupidity of the editors of The Independent and all the other sensible papers.

It looks like a grass roots total rebellion is the only way this is going to be defeated, and even if this wrong headed legislation passes, when no one registers, the system will die, just like the poll tax did.

This will mean people travelling on expired passports, and people without passports travelling on birth cirtificates and drivers licences or passports from other jurisdictions. It will mean refusing to transact with anyone that unreasonably demands ID from you.

I have personally seen this being done already. A man walked into a bank to withdraw £1000 cash, The teller demanded ID. The customer refused; he had banked at the same branch for 20 years, and refused to jump through this hoop. The teller said he could give him £999 pounds without ID. The customer stood fast; £1000 or he closed the account there and then. About five minutes later, he got his cash on the order of the manager. Everyone, including the teller and the manager admitted that the requirement was absurd, and they collectively agreed not to obey it; a known customer collecting his own money should not have to jump through hoops to do it. This is common sense, and the stance of this customer is what is going to be adopted everywhere.

OR

Suffer the consequences.

posted by Irdial , 8:35 PM Þ 

Personal details of all 44 million adults living in Britain could be sold to private companies as part of government attempts to arrest spiralling costs for the new national identity card scheme, set to get the go-ahead this week.

The Independent on Sunday can today reveal that ministers have opened talks with private firms to pass on personal details of UK citizens for an initial cost of £750 each. [...]

The Independent

Blantant and Brazen. Literally selling the population of the UK to the highest bidder, harvesting the data on each person compulsorily and then selling the shearings. Astonishing.

posted by Irdial , 8:14 PM Þ 

Another reason why I don't keep a gun in the house

The neighbors' dog will not stop barking.
He is barking the same high, rhythmic bark
that he barks every time they leave the house.
They must switch him on on their way out.

The neighbors' dog will not stop barking.
I close all the windows in the house
and put on a Beethoven symphony full blast
but I can still hear him muffled under the music,
barking, barking, barking,

and now I can see him sitting in the orchestra,
his head raised confidently as if Beethoven
had included a part for barking dog.

When the record finally ends he is still barking,
sitting there in the oboe section barking,
his eyes fixed on the conductor who is
entreating him with his baton

while the other musicians listen in respectful
silence to the famous barking dog solo,
that endless coda that first established
Beethoven as an innovative genius.


--Billy Collins
posted by Barrie , 8:27 AM Þ 
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